Is Jenni Murray right about transgender?

One face of UK transgender. There is a story line on a drama serial on S4C (subtitles available) about a similar teenager in a Welsh Comprehensive. Programme is called "Gwaith Cartref"
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-39211114

nina, I have been in a loo while men have tried to get in as they were having an argument with their girlfriends. But, we could challenge them, call security, if necessary the police, phew.

If you are all happy for anyone to identify as any given sex on any given day that's your choice, just make sure it is an informed choice.

I do wish people would spare a thought for the women and girls that this will effect who will no longer be able to access single sex refuges, or compete with their sex but hey ho.

If you have thought about this critically and are truly happy with self identification that's your choice. I find that most people are not aware of the changes and think in terms of transexuals. The information regarding the current changes is on this thread, the fact that male rapists are recorded as female rapists etc. Information is there if anyone chooses to have a read and make their mind up.

Just please, please don't get too pissed off if you ever need to see a female doctor and they have a beard, or you have to shower with a woman with a penis. Or your granddaughter is upset as the bathroom is full of boys and men.

You have read about the changes, you are comfortable with them and the impact that they will have on girls and women, their privacy, their right to meet in single sex groups, access refuges, compete with their own sex, receive female scholarships, use language to describe their biology etc etc etc.

I always find that some people are not aware of the recent changes so it's helpful to put it out there.

Anyway, off to work.

I don't have anything else to add LSP.

Been lovely chatting nina, this is a thorny issue and it's good to talk about it.

It was me that asked you for links LSP, and I thank you for doing so.Very helpful as I did not really recognise your name on gransnet.

This is one of the rare threads on gransnet where I have changed my mind on something. Quite considerably on this one.

I can see where LSP is coming from.

Perhaps some of you do not live in dodgy areas or never really go in them.

There are public loos in some of them and swimming pools too.
It is not the loos for example in John Lewis that are likely to be problematic, but other sorts of loos.

There are plenty of cases or men carrying out assaults but no transgenders.

Quite! Which rather emphasies LSP's point does it not?

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Is that to me Anya?

If it is, and you dont understand my last comment, I think you eventually will.

Have they removed the word 'gullible' from the dictionary then?

Ankers don't be so easily swayed by the gibberish above, pass it all through a reality filter first. Just because someone rants and posts often and at great length, spouting allegedly anecdotal evidence, doesn't make it fact. Those who think they have a point to make do not always stick to facts and often embellish their argument with hearsay and, even worse.

Like Nina I have no more to say because to be frank it's ??????

No it wasn't to you!

Anya, that's incredibly rude. The changes are being brought in by our government, the transgender rapist was on Crimewatch.

Please tell me which part you think that I have made up? I won't try to convince you, you can make your own mind uo, but I resent being called a liar or a fantasist.

Please point out which part you think I made up, which fact was untrue.

I am a mum with some skin in this game, that's all.

Ok Thanks!

um, yes I ma guilty/have been guilty of not that much reality filters!
I am trying to be much better, and I take much more notice of whether things are fact or opinion, and which sources are being used etc thanks to you and others on gransnet.

Which is part of the reason I asked for links, and followed most of them up.
LSP does appear to be right!
LSP in particular does seem to check out from what I can see?

I have no more to say to you Lumpy either.

I hope the above post was written ok. Perhaps there should not have been an exclamation mark after the word right.

Ankers just check out which bit (note the singular) is fact and how much more is hearsay or anecdotal or opinion!

And that's enough of me trying to educate in logical thinking.

Well, I looked up about the brownies, and that appears to be fact.
Ditto the army.
Ditto the government bill
Ditto trans activists
Ditto puberty blockers.

I had more trouble with toilets/swimming changing rooms[though if the bill passes I think that becomes rather obvious?] and gender assignment at birth.

Thanks Anya though for your points and advice. I appreciate it. I needed it! Probably still do!

Ankers, that's probably because it's so hard to find a public toilet in the UK.

Ankers the fact is that transgender people are to be given recognition and certain rights.

nina1959.
I found myself last night googling public loos!
My general area has a lot more than my wider area for public loos. Who knew!

Ankers, you must have the lions share in that case because they're thin on the ground where I am.

LSP, you're a bad advert for modern day feminism and I wish you'd stop for breath. It's people like you that spoil the earlier achievements of many true feminists. Unlike them you appear to have a hatred of men in general which dents the progress of the feminist movement today. We're laughed at instead of upheld because of spurious claims made by people like you.
You make so much noise highlighting a worst case scenario yet when asked what you plan to do about it, you don't have a plan. Instead you pass the buck to someone else citing that it's not YOUR job to sort it out.
Yet the best deals are always struck when those who do make a noise also have an alternative.

Over here in the UK we have a saying. Either pee in the pot or get off it. Whichever way, while you may have some valid points, they come across as extreme and unbalanced and as a woman hoping to improve things for the next generation of girls, I don't find your ranting helpful or even truthful.

Phew ... there's been a whole lot of comment since I last checked in here. I can see why people are concerned at the 'prospect' of anyone who identifies as a woman being able to access areas which are at present female only (loos being one example, Girl Guide and Brownie camps being another), but although I think I raised that issue initially, I wonder whether this is a moral panic in the making ... how many cases have there been of a man deciding to identify as a woman just to go into the ladies loos, I wonder? With regard to children's clubs which involve overnight stays, that's a difficult one. Is there anyone here who is a Guider or Brown Owl who could comment? What would you do? Also applies to girls transgendering to boys by the way.

This really will not do nina -I'm finding myself wholeheartedly in agreement with you again

Anya, and me with you too. Bet we'd get on really well around a table. (smile)

nina i am so glad you have no concerns regarding males using female toilets and changing rooms. I hope you Daughters/ Granddaughters are never in fear