Is Jenni Murray right about transgender?

So you dont want terminology, or you do want terminology?

Talking about practicalities. How would a transgender woman or man go to the loo if she/he is caught short in town? Should councils build unisex toilets or is that asking for trouble? The same applies to changing rooms in gyms or swimming pools, sports arenas, night clubs, cafes etc etc.

Ankers: The church of which I was a member for about 30 years, and excommunicated me on the grounds of "having worn a woman's garment" - that's in the same chapter of the Bible as verses about wearing tassels on the corners of your robe, and if your daughter is raped you have to sell her to the rapist.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunstad_Christian_Church

there are real people and there are blacks

MaryXYX that is a strange thing to say. Aren't coloured people real people in your book?

Seems to have been removed now.

MaryXYX, by using the term cis-woman, are you saying that assigned-females-at-birth are no longer an entity, they are simply a negative concept?

I do not think that what Jenni Murray said was in any way disrespectful. We have no idea how a transgender person feels; but I guess they have no idea how it feels to be born a woman. Not having that knowledge does not imply disrespect.

I am more troubled by the fact that it has become unacceptable to express a view without approbation - healthy disagreement as the norm is what democracy is all about.

Personally I don't really understand why Jenni or anyone else really needs to say it atall! People are what they are and their own version of whatever sex they are, from birth or otherwise! Just have no idea why some people get so exercised about it. A person is a person is a person ...live and let live as long as no harm is being done to anyone else!

Yorkshiregel:
there are real people and there are blacks

MaryXYX that is a strange thing to say. Aren't coloured people real people in your book?

Yes they are - just as much as transgender people are real people. Sometimes we have to consider the same "Not real" logic being applied to another group who have also suffered persecution.

SueDonim:
MaryXYX, by using the term cis-woman, are you saying that assigned-females-at-birth are no longer an entity, they are simply a negative concept?

No - I am rejecting the idea that transwomen are a negative concept.

I'm sorry but the term for a woman who is not a transgender woman is a woman. I'm not a cis anything!

I do not think that what Jenni Murray said was in any way disrespectfu

JM writes "the first time I felt anger". I consider that disrespectful.

Anger?

It is some twitter users apparently who want her sacked. Silly them.

radicalnan i am really confused how can a woman have both sperm and eggs ?

Why should anyone want Jenni Murray to be sacked, what she was fact not an opinion, how is to be sacked next , the weather forecaster because they state that the white flakes falling from the sky is snow ? Maybe snow upsets me and i cant bear the truth being told

I have a friend who was born male, is now female, still married to her wife of 30 years, and has a daughter (and son). It's only through this friendship I can see the desperation of not being able to be who they thought they were for the first 47 years of their life. She's bought up a daughter, has an extremely close relationship to her wife, I think she understands what it takes to be a woman (in answer to Jenni Murray's article).

Personally I don't understand the problem with sharing a toilet or showers with someone who recognises themselves as female. Everyone needs to wee. What's the issue?

MaryXYX I did with wonder when I saw your user name. I hope you are confortable in your own skin these days. ?

One needs to understand the terminology of the trans community in order to start understanding those who are transgender. I know of a trans couple, he is FTM (female to male) she is MTF (male to female) but both identify as non binary. Very confusing to understand-if they identify as non binary then why choose another sex to transition into? Even using he/she pronouns can be unacceptable to some as they feel that gender neutral pronouns ought to be used. People can identify as agender, asexual, all gender, non gendered, pan gendered, poly gendered, gender neutral, gender fluid and that's just for starters. I don't profess to understand all these but it's a far wider community than first thought.

Well I absolutely do not accept the term 'cis-woman' I am a woman and a male who has transitioned is a transwoman. There are a group of mysogynistic Trans Activists(TA) who are trying to hijack this whole debate - they are not doing any favours for the mainstream transwomen who probably find just getting on with their everyday lives hard enough.

I totally agree with you Rigby46, there are some excellent threads on Mumsnet about Trans Activists. It seems to be their aim to take over any space that women have fought for.

Cis woman - FFS! - as they say on Mumsnet - I never heard such nonsense in my life.

Lynnie - totally agree re MN. There are many posters there who really know their stuff and have really educated me. The TA community are really really appalling and a real threat to women and all we have achieved in the face of so much male oppression over the years.

Having read the article I thought how sensible it was. We live in a world gone mad when you cannot say 'breastfeeding'.

Yes the stance on Mumsnet has really moved round over the past months with surprisingly thoughtful threads and much soul searching.
The I Am Spartacus campaign really took off.
A lot of those thoughts are being echoed on Gransnet too

Lucky I wish it were just nonsense - sadly it's much much more serious than that. How very very dare anyone decide to rename women as cig women. Quite frankly it's a f***ing outrage.

They have an 'I am Jenni Murray' thread at the moment - great stuff. And cis not cig < sighs at being so cross I am not previewing'