Illegal migrants’ amnesty vaccine.

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Well said, PippaZ

Blimey! Well done GNHQ.

‘Illegal migrants’ is okay though surely? That’s what they are and it’s the topic we are discussing. They are migrants who are here illegally. Genuinely confused.

Paperless people?
Hidden individuals?
Undeclared folk?

Just people then.
People the government are not aware are living here. They want to vaccinate them. And call an amnesty to be able to do it.

Dog whistle politics.

Ever heard of it?

Today Timothy Garton Ash wrote an article about the need for a fact fightback.

“To survive, democracy needs a minimum of shared truth”

This is based on the Athenian idea of debate around the accepted and shared facts.

This thread is certainly not that.

Whitewavemark2

Blimey! Well done GNHQ.

Well it was all the well argued intelligent reports they received about the dehumanising language used to demean, belittle and lazily categorise a range of people who are actually are you know human beings

People living in the UK illegally UG

Don't be disingenuous and don't try to be cute, as my granny would say.

Zadie In which case why have you not changed the name of this thread?

Urmstongran

‘Illegal migrants’ is okay though surely? That’s what they are and it’s the topic we are discussing. They are migrants who are here illegally. Genuinely confused.

Paperless people?
Hidden individuals?
Undeclared folk?

Just people then.
People the government are not aware are living here. They want to vaccinate them. And call an amnesty to be able to do it.

Yes people will be fine - even illegal migrants is lazy and the sort of lumping together of a diverse group of people which dehumanises them and encourages negative racist attitudes. There are two issues put together in this thread which should have been kept separate ie two different issues. Some of us see an agenda as to why this did not happen.

M0nica

Zadie In which case why have you not changed the name of this thread?

It was the use of the word ‘illegals’ lazy dehumanising language

Alegrias1

People living in the UK illegally UG

Don't be disingenuous and don't try to be cute, as my granny would say.

Exactly- disingenuity is a well used tactic on GN followed by innocent face.

Yes they should be vaccinated, same as everyone.maybe if they do treat them same as the homeless they could bring them to an 'open' session for giving the vaccine,in some way? Maybe if they would make having jab for covid compulsory it would make us all rest easier.(providing its safe due to an individuals heath)

There are two issues put together in this thread which should have been kept separate ie two different issues.

Please explain sw.
I’m genuinely not with you. Sorry.

I think the issue for the government is to vaccinate as many people as possible to achieve herd immunity. However they are aware there is a cohort of people who, because they ought not to be still here or here at all, need to be found and given the vaccine. Now to my mind that must be a large tranche of the population otherwise why fuss? If it is as high as 1 person in 69 then yes, it is a concern. The government know these missing persons won’t come forward unless they can be given guaranteed anonymity. They are hoping charity groups will be able to assist in helping find these people.

What am I not understanding?

Urmstongran

^There are two issues put together in this thread which should have been kept separate ie two different issues.^

Please explain sw.
I’m genuinely not with you. Sorry.

I think the issue for the government is to vaccinate as many people as possible to achieve herd immunity. However they are aware there is a cohort of people who, because they ought not to be still here or here at all, need to be found and given the vaccine. Now to my mind that must be a large tranche of the population otherwise why fuss? If it is as high as 1 person in 69 then yes, it is a concern. The government know these missing persons won’t come forward unless they can be given guaranteed anonymity. They are hoping charity groups will be able to assist in helping find these people.

What am I not understanding?

I didn’t come up in the down train Urm. I’ve said all I need to say already on this thread so don’t try goading me- it won’t work. There’s plenty of decent threads to post on without spending any more time on this one.

12:47Urmstongran

Of course you are right Urmstongran. Agree with you 100%.
I suppose someone on here I could probably guess who reported this thread to GNHQ.

The people below the radar need to be vaccinated.

There are folks here who are not registered with GP or NI or HMRC.

Whether they are waiting for asylum status, overstayed their visa or arrived in the back of a lorry. Wherever they originated from, whatever the race or religion, how would posters describe them?

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Now you’ve really confused me sw. You think I’m being disingenuous. I’m not. I don’t think I’m clever enough to be honest! It was a genuine question.

What am I getting wrong? If you won’t answer how can I educate myself?

50% of Asian and African/Caribbean in Birmingham refused.

I think if they are waiting for asylum status GG13 the government will already know about them as their name & contact details will be in the system.

illegal
noun [ C ] informal
UK /ɪˈliː.ɡəl/ US /ɪˈliː.ɡəl/

someone who lives or works in another country when they do not have the legal right to do this:
He said ID cards would make it easier to deport illegals.
Synonym
illegal immigrant

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Well if half of BAME community in Birmingham have refused EV I’m not sure why the government are trying so hard to ask illegal migrants to come forward as their percentage is so much less?

Unless of course the government are being disingenuous and have an ulterior motive?

Thank you Firecracker123.
Nice and clear validation there. No upset at all to anyone. Just factual.

We mustn’t shorthand and say ‘illegals’ as that’s derogatory.
I accept that.

Illegal migrants is fine.