Illegal migrants’ amnesty vaccine.

There are words in the dictionary that, if I used them on here, I'd get a well-deserved ban. Being in a dictionary doesn't make it acceptable usage.

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EllanVannin

It's the BAME society in this country who are going to let us down. Won't it cause hostile behaviour ? Of course it will !

Er, pot calling the kettle here?

You said on another thread that you were reluctant to have the first dose and will refuse the second.

Or am I confused and mixing you up with someone else?

So just to clarify’ illegals’ is for some silly reason not permitted, but presumably we are still ‘allowed’ to say illegal immigrants? Therefore it’s just the shortened version which is now verboten? Is that correct?
Ye gods.

This thread allows those who are so good at dog whistle racism a free reign.

It needs withdrawing.

For the far right wingers on here - with your liking for small government and entrepreneurship are you not just a teensy bit in admiration of 'economic migrants' (don't know why that's a pejorative) who risk life and limb to come here from half way across the world to earn a living?

They may do it illegally, and I'm as much a tax-payer as anyone else, but some of our young fit men could learn a lesson from them, instead of sitting on their backsides in deprived areas, so lacking in drive to even move to the next town for a job.

JenniferEccles Yes. Because it’s racist. Frankly ‘illegal immigrants’ isn’t much better, but ‘illegals’ is downright disgusting.

Can we please, PLEASE get this thread pulled GNHQ?

Why doesn't everyone just stick to the topic of whether everyone in the country should be vaccinated, irrespective of their immigration status, instead of trying to make a big thing of being asked not to insult people?

Oh, please don't delete this thread - let it stand in all its glory!

Is that all you've got to say, Riverwalk ? The post wasn't about me !

Yes, I did hover about receiving a vaccination simply because I didn't want anything upsetting my blood-clotting levels.
Since it's been reported that someone died after their vaccination because of a blood clotting problem obviously put me off having a second dose.

Political Correctness gone mad, people won't be able to open their mouth soon without fear of offending someone. Or someone getting the race card out.

Now Riverwalk let's see how you feel about the 50% refusal !

Agree Alegrias1

The English language and the correct usage of is constantly evolving, just because a phrase which has been in constant use suddenly becomes unacceptable is used by someone who is unaware of this does not automatically make the user racist.

EllanVannin

Is that all you've got to say, Riverwalk ? The post wasn't about me !

Yes, I did hover about receiving a vaccination simply because I didn't want anything upsetting my blood-clotting levels.
Since it's been reported that someone died after their vaccination because of a blood clotting problem obviously put me off having a second dose.

No, it's not all I've got to say.

So you are allowed to have your misgivings about vaccination, for good reason, but BAME people are not allowed their misgivings? They equally may have good reason.

13:23Alegrias1

Why doesn't everyone just stick to the topic of whether everyone in the country should be vaccinated, irrespective of their immigration status, instead of trying to make a big thing of being asked not to insult people?


Eeerh because the title of the thread is Illegal migrants' amnesty vaccine and that's what we are discussing.

You are trying to shut down free speech because you do not like the subject that is being discussed.

GrannyGravy13

Agree Alegrias1

The English language and the correct usage of is constantly evolving, just because a phrase which has been in constant use suddenly becomes unacceptable is used by someone who is unaware of this does not automatically make the user racist.

Nobody on here called the users of the word "illegal" racist, as far as I can see? Just rather behind the times and insulting. And unwilling to accept being told that the world has moved on.

The racism later on was much more blatant.

Many West Indian people, and others, suffer from sickle cell anaemia which as you know is a blood thickening disorder - a good enough reason to question whether the vaccine is right for them I would have thought.

Alegrias1 I agree, my explanation was somewhat clumsy.

Blatant intentional racism is totally unacceptable.

I do think the lazy use of language can for some be confusing (no slurs intended)

You are trying to shut down free speech because you do not like the subject that is being discussed.

Hooray! I win the prize for spotting the first mention of shutting down free speech!!

BTW, I'm all for economic migrants, at least my D had her longed for bathroom done as British didn't want to know !
They couldn't work in convulsions in this friendless society.

Am I racist for being anti-British, I wonder ?

GG13 ?

I too have a blood clotting disorder--hence the warfarin, so why just cast your aspersions towards me Riverwalk ?

So please say what IS an acceptable expression to describe people who have arrived here by various means and who are now living here under the radar, completely unknown to the authorities?

We have had a system in place for years for those who wish to come here legally to work, pay taxes and generally contribute to the economy.

We are not talking on here about those people.

With free speech comes great responsibility

The OP was reporting a Government Amnesty in order to vaccinate a large number of the population. The Amnesty could bring about more tax revenue for HMRC if these folks went on to work legally

There is a whole world of difference between my vocal disapproval and social shunning of people I know who refuse the vaccine - and my attitude towards immigrants who aren't vaccinated.

My friends are fortunate and have nothing to fear as they're already in the system.

Of course, illegal immigrants are unfortunate (in our society) very wary of being identified, detained or deported. They don't use the NHS, they generally remain anonymous, unidentified - in the shadows.

They are suspicious, even of 'amnesty' vaccination arrangements. So am I. Why? It's just illogical.

There are currently no plans to give the vaccine to younger adults and children. Therefore, a large proportion of the population will remain potential vectors/transmitters of the virus.

Why, then, the current focus on migrants?