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Ghislaine Maxwell’s prison experience ‘torture’

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JenniferEccles Wed 10-Mar-21 13:43:00

That’s the opinion of her brother Ian Maxwell on describing her living conditions in the US prison.

Does anyone feel sorry for her?
Certainly not me. She is being accused of very serious crimes, so my sympathy lies with the victims.

Blossoming Wed 10-Mar-21 13:48:55

Nope.

EllanVannin Wed 10-Mar-21 13:50:42

None at all. Serves her right.

Lollin Wed 10-Mar-21 13:53:46

How can anyone feel sorry knowing why she is there.

Shinamae Wed 10-Mar-21 13:55:09

Karma

suziewoozie Wed 10-Mar-21 14:01:36

Conditions in US prisons awful - who knew?

JenniferEccles Wed 10-Mar-21 14:04:54

Apparently she is under constant surveillance in a tiny 6ftx9ft cell with cameras trained on her, no natural light and ‘inedible’ food.

Of course that’s not the whole story as she wouldn’t spend all of the day in her cell.

I guess the brother’s aim is to back up yet another plea for bail.

Rosie51 Wed 10-Mar-21 14:12:10

She is being accused of very serious crimes

I have every sympathy for the girls abused by Epstein. Maxwell is accused of vile, serious crimes but she has not been convicted of anything yet. It seems some don't actually need a trial in order to convict her. To be honest, I believe she is guilty, but I don't think anybody should be kept in such conditions, especially before they have been convicted. Sympathy? Maybe not that far, but discomfort at the idea of those conditions certainly.

Riverwalk Wed 10-Mar-21 14:14:12

Of course she is on remand so at present not guilty of anything.

With her multiple nationalities and connections I suppose she is considered too much of a flight risk - cheaper and easier to keep her in prison, rather than house arrest with an ankle tag etc.

Doodledog Wed 10-Mar-21 14:19:29

Conditions in US jails are notoriously bad, and whilst IMO no prison should be horrible in itself (the punishment is losing liberty, not living in constant misery), there is no reason I can think of why GM's case is any different from that of any other remand prisoner, or why she should get any sort of preferential treatment.

The case does seem to be taking a very long time, though. Maybe there should be a limit to the length of time that anyone can be held on remand without trial?

suziewoozie Wed 10-Mar-21 14:20:39

I agree River she’s a huge flight risk and there are powerful/influential people who would sleep easier if she ‘disappeared’. After ‘losing’ Epstein, it would be extremely careless to lose a second one.

Alishka Wed 10-Mar-21 14:22:33

you do the crime..etc.
Documented evidence that she was procuring outside school gates for Epstein.
Sorry for her?
Nope.

suziewoozie Wed 10-Mar-21 14:23:22

We don’t know why it’s taking so long but I’d bet there are plenty of defence tactics being used that are as much to blame as on the prosecution side.

NellG Wed 10-Mar-21 14:26:26

Like all adult women in privileged positions she made choices. Choices have consequences. This is hers.

JenniferEccles Wed 10-Mar-21 14:55:38

I believe the trial is in July.
She had better get used to the conditions as she could well be facing a lengthy sentence.

dogsmother Wed 10-Mar-21 14:57:33

Let me think about this......NO!

Judy54 Wed 10-Mar-21 14:59:00

Innocent until proven guilty. Whether on remand or serving a sentence no one should be kept in these conditions.

Alexa Wed 10-Mar-21 15:07:49

All prisoners should be deprived of liberty but not punished. The tiny cell ,inedible food, and brown water seem punitive.

One has heard about US prisons.

suziewoozie Wed 10-Mar-21 15:09:13

Judy54

Innocent until proven guilty. Whether on remand or serving a sentence no one should be kept in these conditions.

Well plenty are and therefore there’s no reason to treat her differently. I haven’t heard of any pre-arrest campaigns by her or her brother to improve the lot of prisoners either in the US or UK.

NellG Wed 10-Mar-21 15:10:32

I know it's rare SW but I completely agree!

GillT57 Wed 10-Mar-21 15:12:14

It is worth remembering that she is on remand, not convicted. She is obviously a flight risk, and potentially a 'suicide' risk like Epstein ( yeah, right), so maybe the authorities are making sure she makes it to trial. While I certainly do not have any sympathy for her if even some of the accusations are proved, I do think that the prison remand system in what is supposed to be a civilised country is dreadful. Imagine being stuck there for months if not years if you were innocent.

suziewoozie Wed 10-Mar-21 15:27:35

The problem is Gill is that, fundamentally, improving prison conditions scores no political brownie points. The prison population in the UK and the US are not representative of their population in general. Non-white, low socio-economic class,, health problems ( both physical and mental) learning disabilities, backgrounds of being in care, childhood abuse and deprivation are vastly over represented. As a society, there’s no evidence of improving prisons being anywhere near a political priority.

And it’s not just prisons, the whole criminal justice system here is falling apart, aggravated, but not caused by COVId. I’ve always read the reports of HMI of prisons and supported the work of the Howard Trust and Prison Reform Trust but it’s not a populist cause at all.

suziewoozie Wed 10-Mar-21 15:29:15

NellG

I know it's rare SW but I completely agree!

I never understand why posters feel the need to say that.

eazybee Wed 10-Mar-21 15:33:13

She is on remand so should not be kept in these conditions. She has not yet faced trial, and it appears that they are punishing her on Epstein's behalf.
She could have left America in the year before she was arrested, but did not.

NellG Wed 10-Mar-21 15:38:41

Don't worry, I expect you'll grasp it eventually SW but just in case - it's because some of us don't believe in belittling everything posters we often disagree with post. It's also to show other, perhaps more hesitant posters on GN that it's possible to disagree much of the time, but still find value in others opinions and behave decently towards them. It used to be called civility. I'll spare you from it in future.