Ghislaine Maxwell’s prison experience ‘torture’

suziewoozie

NotSpaghetti

Doodledog I agree. I think we campaign for things that touch us.

I don’t think you can speak for everyone - many people campaign for causes that will never directly impact them as well as causes that may or have.

Well either way, there aren't enough hours in the day for everyone to campaign for everything they believe in, and it's nonsense to suggest that people should only benefit from those for which they have personally campaigned.

Even if there were, giving 30 seconds per cause isn't going to get it very far - surely it's better to choose the causes that matter to you (whether they touch you personally or not) and do it properly?

As I say, I haven't campaigned for prisoners' rights (although I might buy a raffle ticket or put a quid in a bucket if asked) but that doesn't mean that I have no opinion on the matter, or that jails should have special wings for campaigners, any more than hospitals should only treat those who have campaigned for research into illnesses from which they are suffering.

Callistemon

There are innocent people living in far worse conditions through no fault of their own, Doodledog and I try to do my bit for just a tiny proportion of them.

So no. But innocent until proved guilty so she should have access to fresh clean water and an hour's exercise a day.
As for edible food - it depends on the definition of edible.

Innocent or guilty anyone should have clean water, food and some exercise. We only know what we’re told about her prison conditions.

No one is suggesting that we all campaign for everything - I was simply questioning your assertion that we campaign for things that affect us. We make choices - and some campaign for some causes that don’t directly affect them. That’s all I was saying,

I suppose it depends on what is meant by what affects us - I was taking it to mean affects us as in practically but of course it can mean affects us as in emotionally. I’m afraid I’m just short of sympathy for the Maxwell family - somehow after RMs ‘falling off his boat’ and huge debts, the family prospered whilst as posted above, thousands and thousands of innocent people faced poverty . So really I just can’t take take Ian Maxwell ‘s complaints on behalf of his sister seriously. This probably makes me a bad person ?

A member of my family lost her pension because of Maxwell.
I cannot summon up any sympathy.

Callistemon

A member of my family lost her pension because of Maxwell.
I cannot summon up any sympathy.

When the brothers went on trial for their involvement in their father’s fraud ( they were acquitted) I remember they declared themselves bankrupt but that Ian( at least) did the time honoured device of transferring assets to his wife’s name. Meanwhile, back with the pensioners .......

I did actually mean touch us emotionally.
Sometimes that's through experience, sometimes it's a profound empathy, sometimes it's because we feel a need for fairness and justice.

suziewoozie

No one is suggesting that we all campaign for everything - I was simply questioning your assertion that we campaign for things that affect us. We make choices - and some campaign for some causes that don’t directly affect them. That’s all I was saying,

I didn't assert that at all.

Callistemon, I'm not surprised that you have no sympathy for her, particularly in those circumstances. Nor do I, as I can't honestly see how she's not guilty as charged, but I don't wish her ill just because she hasn't campaigned for prisoners' rights.

Yes, I too was connected to someone who lost his pension to Maxwell, but Ghislaine Maxwell had nothing to do with that.

The USA prison system is brutal, for inmates and those on remand. Any campaign should be against the inhuman conditions in American prisons.

The Australian academic taken hostage by the Iranians after attending a conference in Iran was kept in solitary confinement in a 2m cube cell for 7 months.www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-56339817