Seems we are not unlocking.

I've sort of mixed up my thought process there as my friend has to visit her Mum in a pod with a window between her and the mum keeps getting really upset and confused. Seeing someone in PPE in a garden with supervision is hardly a luxury or normal either.

Alegrias1

JaneJudge

who are the thousands that are going to die?

I'm sorry to be so shrill but I'm not really happy about my youngest going to school where the Indian variant is if it is going to kill so many people. It might kill us? people we know?

where is growstuff?

I'm not growstuff but I can give my viewpoint, if you want me to. Where is the figure of thousands coming from? Did somebody mention it tonight at the briefing?

Yes, Boris Johnson

Do you think he meant to say that thousands would be infected? He was getting a bit confused in that briefing.

He might be right though, in that the unvaccinated older age groups (50 plus) will be more likely to catch the delta variant if the infection rate rises as much as they are anticipating in the next few weeks, and there are still many thousands out there in that category?

I thought he said something like the extra four weeks would actually save many thousands of lives by vaccinating millions more people.
Mind you, he also said July 29th at one point, he was all over the place today.

OK, I've just been watching it back.

Be cautious with his comment about hospital admissions going up; they are of course, but the people going in are younger and need less involved treatment, so they come out quicker. Hospital numbers are going up but today, there are 1,000 people approx. in hospital. Compared with nearly 40,000 at the peak. We are a long way from the worst case scenario.

He talked about thousands more deaths if we keep going with the original roadmap; but we're not, we're pausing and getting more people vaccinated. In the last month, we've given about 3 million vaccinations. Another month will put us in a much better position, with fewer people susceptible to the virus.

He also said that cases were going up faster than the modelling allowed for, which is why we are pausing for a while; to get on top of it again. I have seen data that says hospitalisations are less that expected, but I can't find it. I sincerely believe that it is in the interests of the government to have us think that things could get really bad, to justify their actions.

FWIW, I think they are doing the right thing. But they have to make us believe that there is no option. I agree with them.

Matt Hancock has just said thousands of deaths too.

In what context?

He has done the right thing for once. This measure is necessary because of the Delta variant imported from India during the three weeks when he was strongly advised to restrict travel from India but refused to do so,

He wanted to go to India to suck up to his fellow right wing populist Nirendra Modi. No wonder some in this country call the Delta variant the Boris variant.

OK, found it Same context - pausing will save thousands of lives.

Jonathan Ashworth very good at the moment.

Alegrias1

OK, found it Same context - pausing will save thousands of lives.

Yep, thought so.

Thank you for deciphering. I watched it on the channel 4 news, he just said there would be thousands of deaths from the new variant.

I think I'm on hyper alert which isn't helped by it all being so close to home, sorry

No worries

I was remembering that at work, I was always the one going "OK, lets see what the facts are, lets sort this out" Guess that all came back to be again

Alegrias1

No worries

I was remembering that at work, I was always the one going "OK, lets see what the facts are, lets sort this out" Guess that all came back to be again

You appear not to value the opinions that others hold, that are quite legitimate. You have in fact on this thread accused others of being selfish because they wish to open up, because they may be considering a holiday, or because they may wish to go out, to for restaurants for example

Not true. I'm sorry to everyone else who must be getting bored now, but I really don't like having my words twisted like this.

I said (and think) that the school of thought that says that 'I've had my jab, so everyone should open up' is selfish, and I think that because it puts the young people who have not been vaccinated at risk. That comment was not to you in particular, but in general.

I also commented that the idea that something can't be selfish because it is legal is a non sequitur. Which was, I believe, a response to a comment of yours, but is something I also believe to be true.

The rest is not. You have accused me of saying that people are selfish for wanting to see their family, which I didn't, and you have consistently played the injured party, which I think is unfair and passive aggressive. You suggested that I was 'choosing no to see my children', which certainly came across as spiteful, particularly as I have said that both my daughter and I were shielding because of asthma until we had both had our second vaccinations.

I have been at pains to point out that what I have posted is just my opinion, and I am fully aware that there are other points of view, as there have been throughout the pandemic. If you can show me where I have not valued the opinions of others (as opposed to disagreeing with them) I would be grateful, as I would not have done so deliberately, and if I have expressed myself badly (perfectly possible) I will be more careful in future.

This is my last word on this thread, as it is getting tiresome now. If you wish to twist my words again, go ahead, but I won't be drawn into a response.

muffinthemoo

MawBe

Muffinthemoo I do not understand why you have not been at liberty to see your granny under the social distancing regulations at any time since May (and indeed before) whether in her garden or in another outdoors space . If she is in a care home surely outdoor visits have been happening for several weeks.
Or am I missing something?

You are. She lives in Glasgow and Glasgow has been under travel restrictions longer than anywhere else in Europe. Given her frailty and the fact I have children in school and nursery, the family also were not prepared to let me see her until I had had at least a first vaccination. Between the two, it has been a long wait. She is not fit enough to be brought outside for visits or any other purpose.

No I missed nothing
Your explanation was posted after mine- I had no way of knowing from what you had written

On balance, and after hearing the news tonight, I reluctantly think the PM has made the right decision.

It’s thought that around ten million more vaccines will be given over the next five weeks which will put us in a better position to defeat the Indian variant.

Obviously I can understand how the hospitality industry in particular is very disappointed but it was clear that Boris couldn’t please everyone.

This really though has to be the last delay.
Surveys have shown that over half the population support holding off for a month, but if the July deadline is pushed back yet again, I fear support will be thin on the ground.

At least he admitted that we will have to learn to live with the virus, as some feared he was going for a zero covid outcome.

PippaZ

maddyone It read to me that you had turned what Doodledog had said on its head but I'm just as capable of making a mistake as anyone. If I did I apologise but whatever the case I had no intention of saying anything more as this went on far longer than was intended.

Pippa thank you. You’re right, it’s gone on too long, time to move on

I believe that the right decision has been made. We will get many more people vaccinated in these next few weeks, and I think it was said that the vaccine is particularly good against the Delta variant. To be honest, it’s still not so very much because we are on the road out of lockdown and we can still do so many things already. Tomorrow I’m taking my elderly mother out for lunch. We’re going to a quiet pub, with a good menu. Unless it rains we’ll eat outside as the weather is forecast to be good again. We’re all fully vaccinated and our area has very low transmission. It’ll do her good to go out somewhere other than family homes/gardens as she hadn’t been out since last summer. That’s why I think we are free enough at the moment. Of course if some folks are nervous and want to stay near home, that’s fine because they choose to do it. When I went into London last week, I was really surprised how quiet it was. We need to get many more people vaccinated before all those city workers return and are crowded together on the tube. So a good decision in my opinion.

And finally…

If people live in an area where incidence rates are possible 20 or 30 times the rates in your area, maddyone, it's not a question of being "nervous" and having a choice - it's about being sensible and having no realistic choice. Please stop referring to sensible people as "nervous" and be aware many others aren't as fortunate as you are.

JenniferEccles There are those of us who hoped Johnson was serious about "zero Covid", which is not about having "no" cases. It's about not accepting that deaths are inevitable and not accepting a muddle-brained herd immunity approach.

Maddyone hope you and your mum have a lovely lunch out tomorrow.
I also think we have made the right decision.
I have some friends who have told me they are nervous about going out and about again even though they are fully vaccinated

I think it is time to stop deliberately picking on * maddyone* for her views or for the way she has expressed herself on this thread. She sounds pretty sensible to me in the way she conducts her life.