Seems we are not unlocking.

PippaZ not self centred in anyway, I can afford the increases.
Unfortunately many other folks cannot, many folks risk losing their businesses and having to lay off staff.

We have worked throughout the pandemic, it hasn’t always been easy but we have managed, we are extremely fortunate.

I would like to see the data on current hospitalisations, whether or not patients have had two, one or no jabs.

If they are not vaccinated why? Is it because of age, i.e. not being in the current age cohort ( our local vaccine hub has held a walk-in clinic today for anyone aged over 18) Are some of the hospitalisations due to folks not taking up the vaccine, if so how long is the rest of the population expected to put their life on hold due to their vaccine hesitancy/refusal?

Perhaps they will give that information on Monday GrannyGravy. I'm assuming that Johnson will address the nation and we will see the evidence then. At least I hope so.

I haven't seen any stats so far that tells us that those in hospitals deliberately didn't have the vaccines when they were offered - have you actually seen details of this? More are being offered to younger people now but, there is a lag in the efficacy of vaccination of course and then the gap, the second vaccine and then a couple more weeks before they are as safe as possible. Also, we cannot use our homegrown one on the younger cohort because of worries about the blood clots so that may mean fewer have been available - but I haven't seen any reports on that either.

I do think you need to take all this into account before you blame the poor person with the virus who may not have had access to the vaccine some eight weeks ago, minimum. No one has a magic wand and no one wants to see people lose their business but we do have help in place if they do. This has stayed the same as it has always been as far as I'm aware.

PippaZ I am not blaming anyone, I would just like to be made aware of the data.

As for folks refusing the vaccine, there are GN members who have posted that they will not take up the vaccine, so by the law of averages one can assume that there are others in the UK who also refuse to be vaccinated for various reasons?

I agree there will be others who refuse but I too would like to see the data. The very fact that transmissibility is much higher in this virus - hopefully they will know more about that too - is an area of concern.

In a BBC article of 5 days ago they were saying it is between 30 and 100% higher than the Alpha variant. They then compared those who go on to develop the Delta with those developing the Alpha.

Roughly 12% of contacts of people with the Indian variant went on to develop coronavirus, compared with 8% of those who had the so-called Kent variant, according to Public Health England analysis - suggesting it is roughly 50% more transmissible.

On Sky earlier I heard someone quoting 70%. If it is so much more infectious we do need to take that into account.

This will settle as they get more data and to get that we sadly need time for things to happen - or not - but it is very apparent it is much higher than the Alpha (Kent) variant which, in itself, was higher than the original.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57157496

Just seen on the news Welsh football supporters in Baku, ok for them to travel?

I think the travel "restrictions" are one of the most contentious areas of how the Government has dealt with Covid this year.

PippaZ

I think the travel "restrictions" are one of the most contentious areas of how the Government has dealt with Covid this year.

Indeed, they certainly are. Travel has not been dealt with well at all.

PippaZ

I think the travel "restrictions" are one of the most contentious areas of how the Government has dealt with Covid this year.

I agree, we are desperate to see our eldest AC and wife in an African country , their C is in a mainland European country and unable to get to us or their parents.

It’s heartbreaking for all who have families abroad ?

GrannyGravy13 300 Welsh supporters have travelled to Baku, they have all complied with the testing requirements and will isolate when they get home I’m sure - it took a lot of money and effort for them to get there after all. There were 61 cases in Azerbaijan yesterday, the rate is much lower there than in the UK, they have had less than 5000 deaths in total.

Casdon

GrannyGravy13 300 Welsh supporters have travelled to Baku, they have all complied with the testing requirements and will isolate when they get home I’m sure - it took a lot of money and effort for them to get there after all. There were 61 cases in Azerbaijan yesterday, the rate is much lower there than in the UK, they have had less than 5000 deaths in total.

It’s the principle, ok to travel for sport but not ok to travel to see family?

We are repeatedly told that travel to an amber list is for death, serious illness etc…

Football?

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

I think the travel "restrictions" are one of the most contentious areas of how the Government has dealt with Covid this year.

I agree, we are desperate to see our eldest AC and wife in an African country , their C is in a mainland European country and unable to get to us or their parents.

It’s heartbreaking for all who have families abroad ?

That wasn't quite what I meant GrannyGravy13.

It’s double standards PippaZ sportsmen/women, actors, politicians and now sports fans are apparently given the green card for travel, but the general public no!!

Travel abroad isn’t banned though, as long as you comply with the requirements set down for the UK and the country you are travelling to. The Government has set the rules, and some fans are dedicated to the game so much that they have gone, even though Welsh Government advised against it. Wales are disadvantaged in the Euros because none of the games are taking place at Cardiff, whilst all four of England’s games are at Wembley. Level playing field or not?
On a much more positive front for Wales, we don’t have the massive city centre fanzones that will be in England and Scotland, which will be much more of a Covid risk as it was deemed unwise to do so.

George Eustice takes a slightly more relaxed view, according to the BBC. Environment Secretary George Eustice said that people could go to those countries on the amber list if they quarantined when they returned.

"We don't want to stop travel altogether and the reason, as [Health Secretary] Matt Hancock set out, that we have the amber list is there will be reasons why people feel they need to travel, either to visit family or indeed to visit friends," he told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

"They can travel to those countries but they then have to observe quarantine when they return and have two tests after returning.

"So people can travel to those areas, yes, but they will then have to subject themselves to the quarantine requirements on return."

You need to have a good reason to want to visit family or friends - new baby for example, but under those circumstances you would get travel insurance. But just to go for a holiday, you won't, and that is the decider for most of us I would think.

Urmstongran

Boris looked shell shocked. 700 admissions to hospital.

700 hospital admissions? Do you have a reputable link for this as I can’t see this being reported anywhere?

GrannyGravy13

It’s double standards PippaZ sportsmen/women, actors, politicians and now sports fans are apparently given the green card for travel, but the general public no!!

Right. That is nearer to how I feel. The mess with Red, Amber, Green takes some beating and we have certainly seen virus brought back into the country.

maddyone

Urmstongran

Could this government’s nervousness around releasing lockdown attributable to their not actually being confident in the vaccine’s efficacy?

No Urm, the vaccine is showing excellent efficacy in people who have had two vaccines. The people getting Covid now are, as I understand it, mainly younger unvaccinated people, or people who have been vaccinated only once. There have been a small number, 7% I think, who have contracted Covid despite having been fully vaccinated. It would be interesting and pertinent to know a little more about these people. Are they extremely old and frail for example, or have they got underlying conditions?

I can’t find the quote now but yesterday it was reported by a reliable source that the 7% who died all had co-morbidities.

I've heard this control thing before Biscuitmuncherand just don't buy it. The economy suffers with every lockdown so why would the government want to damage the economy any further? It doesn't make any sense.

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You need to have a good reason to want to visit family or friends - new baby for example, but under those circumstances you would get travel insurance. But just to go for a holiday, you won't, and that is the decider for most of us I would think.

That doesn't sound right to me. An insurance company is not usually interested in your motive for the trip - just whether and how likely they are to have to pay out on the policy. They really won't be interested in a new baby or any other reason.

That should be the same when it comes to the "insurance" we should require before anyone goes to another country. In the main, those countries which are safe to travel to don't want our bugs and those that will let us in will give us theirs.

This is another case of governments (not just ours but ours is high on the list) thinking they are more powerful than the virus; they are not. The virus has only one aim. To get into our system and replicate. We have better brains in our countries and we can, eventually, outwit and overcome it but to transmit it from country to country because someone has had a new baby is simply madness.

grannyrebel7

I've heard this control thing before Biscuitmuncherand just don't buy it. The economy suffers with every lockdown so why would the government want to damage the economy any further? It doesn't make any sense.

Could you post which post that is in reply to pleas grannyrebel7. Otherwise it's difficult to make sense of anything. Thanks.

Either we in the U.K. can all travel or none of us can.

It shouldn’t just be available for those that can afford the tests which I believe are in the region of £100 (guesstimate).

I am just not a fan of double standards and unfortunately that is the position at the moment. The PM and Government have to grow some b*lls, and make the decision…

Either it’s legal to travel or it’s not!

DD's friend took her family to Dorset for half term. Both children caught colds. When they came back the children had to have Covid tests for school and both were positive. By the next day the older girl was delirious with a high temperature. Both parents were fine. The girls are both recovering but they have no idea how they caught it, just a family group of four, not mixing with anyone else and doing all the outside stuff that is supposed to be safe.

We are repeatedly told that travel to an amber list is for death, serious illness etc

Football?
Haven’t we been told before GrannyGravy that football is not a matter of life or death - it’s much more important than that!

MawBe

^We are repeatedly told that travel to an amber list is for death, serious illness etc^

Football?
Haven’t we been told before GrannyGravy that football is not a matter of life or death - it’s much more important than that!

Good one Maw

Just ignore me, I am feeling melancholy and missing our offspring this evening.

Football?
Haven’t we been told before GrannyGravy that football is not a matter of life or death - it’s much more important than that!

Yes, we were and after this afternoon even more thought-provoking.