Royal Thread the Second- Tiaras Optional! ?

FannyCornforth

There are loads of RF based shows on 5 this evening
The one about William and Harry is one and a half hours long
As is the one about Charles and Diana’s wedding
In fact, I think that is worth taping

Thanks Fanny. I watched the C&D one. I was actually somewhere in that crowd and at the Hyde Park fireworks!
I thought Diana looked scared stiff in the build up. She must have felt terrified, trapped and full of misgivings. There was no way out. I'm not sure this was actually depression, but others might know more.

Thanks Trisher. My closest friend has complex mental health issues and certainly myself and some of her other friends cant believe we missed the start of an episode on an evening out.

Galaxy sorry your friend as mental health issues.

You speak of the start of an episode, would you have noticed if
she was crying during that evening out ?

Sparklefizz

Meghan has been caught out in so many lies and exaggerations that it's hard to believe a word she says which is why I mentioned her claim to have cried all the way through the performance ... there is no way she could have done that without (a) people around her noticing and discreetly helping her away somewhere more private, and (b) repairing all her makeup which would have needed to be done, because she was shown socialising afterwards looking immaculate.

I have been depressed and suffered from panic attacks myself, and have had to put on "a brave face", and would always respect someone else's feelings, but M always has to embellish her stories. I have never claimed to cry for a couple of hours when it is patently not true.

How on earth do you know that? Crying can be done in many ways. I've seen it as just a couple of tears quickly blotted away, and as waterfalls of tears and snot, both are valid. The experience of the emotion cannot be judged by how obvious it is, or crying by the number or amount of tears shed.
It's once again just an excuse to attack Meghan.

And let's not forget she was an actress so she's used to playing a part.
You said it, Lucca. Meghan has dissembled, been economical with the truth and told outright lies, thus losing all credibility. She is permanently playing a part, that of being a victim.
If you want an example of someone who recognises the 'professional necessity for looking OK' you have HRH the Queen, a woman who has carried on through crisis after crisis but who would never, ever discuss her feelings in public.

I don’t know Meghan so I’ve no idea about her mental health or whether she cried through a whole performance with no outward signs. My only experience is dealing with DD’s mental health issues, which don’t go away.
Will we hear more about MM’s mental health problems, caused by coming to the UK for a Christening, (which may well have really taken place in the US a few days previously)?
Is she trying to show those with mental health issues that you can actually pull yourself together and get on with a very public life?

^The experience of the emotion cannot be judged by how obvious it is, or crying by the number or amount of tears shed.
It's once again just an excuse to attack Meghan.^

No, it's not.... I am just going by what Meghan said herself.

And let's not forget she was an actress so she's used to playing a part.
Yes, Meghan was trained in that craft so can adapt to situations at the drop of a hat. Also she was nearing 40 years old. Diana was naive and ill equipped to deal with things. Harry needs to understand the difference.
I'm not saying Meghan wasn't unhappy, but she had the tools to manipulate her husband whereas Diana didn't.

It is just so sad that so many people feel the need to take out all their agression and anger on one woman, who has done little to deserve it apart from refusing to play games with the RF choosing instead to build a family life where she feels safe.
Mental health problems are never something which should be used to attack another person. No one knows how another person is feeling and someone who may seem reasonably stable in public may go home to self harm in some way. Stop using this as a weapon and realise your own experience doesn't qualify you to criticise someone else.

Ellianne

^And let's not forget she was an actress so she's used to playing a part.^
Yes, Meghan was trained in that craft so can adapt to situations at the drop of a hat. Also she was nearing 40 years old. Diana was naive and ill equipped to deal with things. Harry needs to understand the difference.
I'm not saying Meghan wasn't unhappy, but she had the tools to manipulate her husband whereas Diana didn't.

Heaven preserve us from strong women. Let's all behave ourselves and do what a man says.....

Manipulating, lying , makes a strong woman ?

I am not minimising crying annie but what affects my friend is way beyond crying and we missed it or perhaps explained it away.

don't know what this forum would do without meghan.certainly seems to get some posters 'hot under the collar.

Did you not read that I watched the Diana programme last night and was commenting on the difference between two new to the family brides trisher? Neither was right nor, wrong, just different approaches and maybe entirely different outcomes will ensue.
Why the need to get insensed with your emojis?

Thank you Galaxy , I really know it is not always possible to
know someone is entering an episode.

I question Meg’s claim that she cried whilst in the Albert Hall,
when the lights went down, I could accept ‘felt like crying’
‘fought back the tears’ , ‘was close to crying’ but not ‘I cried when the lights went down’ .

lemsip

don't know what this forum would do without meghan.certainly seems to get some posters 'hot under the collar.

Crossed post. Entirely agree, both ways!

Then let’s talk about Kate, trisher called her a 1950’s housewife .

Agree / disagree ?

I would call Catherine a supportive wife and apparently, from the bits we see, a lovely mum. I expect Meghan is a lovely mum too. But she tells lies and plays the victim, and I’m sorry if that offends some people, but that’s how I see it.

Is there a difference then Ellianne between being "naive and ill" and "experienced and ill"? Do experienced women never suffer breakdowns? Is doing what is best for your wife being "manipulated" or simply caring?

Succinctly put maddyone.

Maddyone if I accused you of "playing the victim" because you spoke out about your depression you would quite rightly censor me for doing so. Why do you feel you can say such things about Meghan?

I think Harry is very caring towards his wife trisher and was besotted with her from the start (engagement interview). I just wish he wouldn't relate everything back to his mother's very different experience entering and living in the RF.

I think I said Kate behaved like a 1950s housewife. It seems to me that one of the things the RF requires of women who marry in is that they behave in such ways. If they don't they are out- Diana, Fergie and Meghan.
Women born into the RF seem to have things easier. Anne- Beatrice, Eugenie
Perhaps if the rules had been relaxed more marriages might have lasted.

I didn’t tell lies about when I got married. I didn’t insinuate that my in laws were racist, sexist, or anything else. They were/are my husband’s family.
With regard to my depression, I refuse to hide it. I have suffered two major episodes of depression in my life, and a few wobbles. I refuse to hide it and don’t feel it makes me a lesser person. I’m not playing the victim because I’m not using it in an interview and accusing my in laws of denying me any help or medical attention. I got myself the appropriate help as and when I needed it. You say Meghan is a strong woman and so she was strong enough to access help when she needed it.

maddyone I assume you weren't living in your-laws house or working for them or living in a new country when you had your episodes, so it's hardly fair to compare is it?
I'm sorry about your episodes but it doesn't qualify you to condemn someone else. Is it not only possible but highly probable moving from being an independent woman to a restricted royal would impact on someone?