The unvaccinated

Oldwoman70

People are free to decide for themselves whether they wish to be vaccinated, but shouldn't business owners also be free to decide whether they want unvaccinated people using their premises in order to protect their workforce?

Freedom works both ways - you can't demand to be able to decide for yourself whether you have the vaccine but refuse to allow others to decide whether they want you on their premises.

I agree that it should be their choice, not the government. If business owners did this then I'm sure it wouldn't be long before they have to close down indefinitely so they probably wouldn't. There's been a huge outcry in Ireland about the gov imposing mandatory vaccines to enter pubs but the owners are not complying with it. I'm not sure if that's still the case as it's been a while since I've read up on it.

Itsawelshthing

I will live. I haven't been out for years or mingled with any friends or families anyway, I am quite comfortable staying at home. I refuse to he coerced into having it.

But I understood you worked as a Carer, how does that square with “not being out for years” ?
Mingling with friends or family may be up to you, but what about the vulnerable people you work with?

Itsawelshthing

I will live. I haven't been out for years or mingled with any friends or families anyway, I am quite comfortable staying at home. I refuse to he coerced into having it.

Well, you may call it living!!! Personally, it sounds similar to house arrest.

Nope, I prefer my 'living' to involve going out, meeting people, going to groups, visiting and being visited by friends and family, and being a goodly part of society.

I do have mixed thoughts about whether or not vaccination should be compulsory -but, surely it the unvaccinated who are at far greater risk from getting very ill/dying/having long term effect from this virus than those of us who have been double (probably soon, triple) jabbed,

Itsawelshthing

Oldwoman70

People are free to decide for themselves whether they wish to be vaccinated, but shouldn't business owners also be free to decide whether they want unvaccinated people using their premises in order to protect their workforce?

Freedom works both ways - you can't demand to be able to decide for yourself whether you have the vaccine but refuse to allow others to decide whether they want you on their premises.

I agree that it should be their choice, not the government. If business owners did this then I'm sure it wouldn't be long before they have to close down indefinitely so they probably wouldn't. There's been a huge outcry in Ireland about the gov imposing mandatory vaccines to enter pubs but the owners are not complying with it. I'm not sure if that's still the case as it's been a while since I've read up on it.

As there are more people who have been vaccinated than haven't then I don't think business owners will be having to close down

Amazed at how many here are keeping in contact with those who refuse the vaccine. I’m afraid it would be a friendship breaker for me or at least mark a hige shift in the relationship. No lunch dates or invitations to my home, that’s for sure. I believe this is the best way to educate.

I am retraining for another role so hopefully I will not be working in care by next year. I've been wanting to do this for a long time now so I think this has given me the push that I needed to persue another career x

My brother and his partner are unvaccinated for several reasons. The main reason being that they live a very isolated existence at the top of a hill, both work from home, seldom go out and wear masks/sanitise if they have to. Days-even weeks- can pass without them seeing anyone. He feels that given their lifestyle they are not at any significant risk of either getting or transmitting the Covid virus. My brother has also worked for one of the big pharmaceutical companies and given his experience he is concerned about the speed of the vaccine development/release. We as a family would obviously be happier were they to have the vaccine. My brother is irritated by being seen as “an unclean social pariah” and mutters about “health Nazis” but I’ve almost fallen out with him trying to tell him that he had the right to make his choice but that there are consequences. He feels that his decision should be respected. I’m at a loss now so am staying out of any future debates!

Kate54

Amazed at how many here are keeping in contact with those who refuse the vaccine. I’m afraid it would be a friendship breaker for me or at least mark a hige shift in the relationship. No lunch dates or invitations to my home, that’s for sure. I believe this is the best way to educate.

I agree Kate. Ditto with continuing to take precautions (masks, social distancing, no eating out indoors, no close contact where possible (at times unavoidable) with others). I offended someone this week, because I didn't want to be in a small enclosed space with them and their family. But I'm putting my health first. I've changed jobs so I can work from home.

I still do essential stuff. Shopping. Stuff with GS. But I haven't returned to normal life and won't for the foreseeable.

Kate54

Amazed at how many here are keeping in contact with those who refuse the vaccine. I’m afraid it would be a friendship breaker for me or at least mark a hige shift in the relationship. No lunch dates or invitations to my home, that’s for sure. I believe this is the best way to educate.

I would not dream of asking about another's personal vacation status.
I have been double vaccinated so my risk has gone down
I was at a meeting yesterday with several friends and acquaintances we were in a well ventilated room but I have not got the foggiest who was vaccinated and who was not
As vaccinated people can also pass on the virus as easily as the unvaccinated it does tend to make their status irrelevant

So Itsawelshthing, do I correctly understand that you are currently working as a carer, and expect to do so until at least the end of the year, whilst refusing to be vaccinated?

My friend told me today that her hairdresser won’t have a vaccine. Apparently, she takes lots of vitamins and supplements so won’t get Covid and even if she does, it’ll be mild. . She cares for her elderly father, as well. I said to my friend that I’d be looking for a new hairdresser.

My friend who is a healthy 55 year old who takes many vitamins and supplements, eats well and does everything right thought that if she got Covid it would be mild and she would be able to shake it off in no time.

She has just spent 12 days in bed horribly poorly with Covid.

Ah, these healthy people, can’t happen to me. The story about the hairdresser is amazing. She wouldn’t have me on her client list. Poor father. Still wondering if Itsawelshthing is still working as a carer. I’m one of the ‘no jab, no job’ brigade, especially with carers and NHS staff. X days to show proof of vaccination or collect your P45.

How on earth do people know other peoples vaccination status.

Some people volunteer their vaccine status. Some anti-vaxers seem very keen to broadcast their status to all and sundry, along with their mad reasoning such as not wanting to be injected with a magnet.

SueDonim

Some people volunteer their vaccine status. Some anti-vaxers seem very keen to broadcast their status to all and sundry, along with their mad reasoning such as not wanting to be injected with a magnet.

... and one guy on the News a while ago seriously said he didn't want Bill Gates to know his bank balance !!!

Bill Gates wouldn't be impressed with mine.

Kate54

Amazed at how many here are keeping in contact with those who refuse the vaccine. I’m afraid it would be a friendship breaker for me or at least mark a hige shift in the relationship. No lunch dates or invitations to my home, that’s for sure. I believe this is the best way to educate.

So glad you’re not one of my friends ..if you have been double jabbed why does it matter to you who has been vaccinated or not ..do you plan to ask everyone you come in contact with! Bearing in mind that one your vaccinated friends could still pass it onto you or others anyhow …

I don't agree, as you can still pass it on if vaccinated; it makes no difference at all. You can catch it after being jabbed twice.

I think there is a middle ground somewhere
God knows where it is though

I think the vaccination should be mandatory and the countries who do this are right. We are too soft.
My mother had a hospital/medical phobia, so I never had any vaccinations, polio etc. I now think she was completely wrong, bless her. She even urged me not to have a hysterectomy as she had a breakdown after her op. I ended up having blood transfusions and in a right mess. Ignorance is deadly.
I’m so looking forward to my theatre visit next week and I have to produce proof of vaccination and rightly so. We must all do all we can to get rid of this thing.
I also live in a town where a healthy, early forties young man died, a keep fit, mountain walking, weightlifting chap who believed he didn’t need a jab.

Which countries make vacination mandatory
Certainly isn't going to work here

Covid is going to be with us for a very long time. It is continuing to mutate and therefore the vaccine will not protect us against new variants, that's another reason why I am not having it done. I do and will continue to wear masks, maintain social distance and isolate if needed.

RomRoot

I don't agree, as you can still pass it on if vaccinated; it makes no difference at all. You can catch it after being jabbed twice.

Both my friends who are double jabbed caught covid second time. They said they feel worse than they did when they got it the first time, which is weird really but they're on the mend now thank goodness x

Germanshepherdsmum

Ah, these healthy people, can’t happen to me. The story about the hairdresser is amazing. She wouldn’t have me on her client list. Poor father. Still wondering if Itsawelshthing is still working as a carer. I’m one of the ‘no jab, no job’ brigade, especially with carers and NHS staff. X days to show proof of vaccination or collect your P45.

I will happily collect my P45.

Germanshepherdsmum

So Itsawelshthing, do I correctly understand that you are currently working as a carer, and expect to do so until at least the end of the year, whilst refusing to be vaccinated?

It's my body and my choice though. If everyone is vaccinated then why does it bother them so much whether I'm jabbed or not? I don't mean to go on about this here cos I am coming across very selfish and you all have a right to think that I am. I am not anti vax, I've had all of my usual ones including the hpv that was fairly new and it made me extremely poorly for months on end that I had to resit a year at college cos I just was not getting better. I honestly thought I was a goner. I never want to go through that ever again and that's what I am fearful of with the covid vaccine which is new / under trials until 2023.