With drawing from Girl Guides

What next? The I’ve identified as a member of the opposite sex for a month certificate..
The I’ve been to an LGBGTQI march award and the I’ve protested strongly and helped topple a statue badge.

So he's not only posed with guns and whips but is also involved with another transman, (Aimee Challenor), who is in famous for trying to get their father involved in the Green Party campaign, even though he'd been charged with 22 offences for crimes including the rape and torture of a 10-year-old girl? FFS.

"Someone" will be along shortly to tell us our fears for young girls is transphobia.

' Once a Guide always a Guide' that's me! Girl Guiding has been a positive influence in my life , from joining Brownies aged 7 going through to Guides and then taking my warrant in my 30s and becoming a Tawny Owl. What on earth is happening? no woman ,trans or not should hold a senior post in the Girl Guide movement and pose with guns and a whips!!!! I am appalled , not because the person is transgender but because of her interest in guns , whips and her image of mistress!!!!! I can not believe this has happened, I fully recognize that the Guiding Association must move with the times - but ........…. I despair!

What will it take before everyone agrees that this has all gone too far and that there is a need for single sex activities and spaces?

The Scouting movement has long had to defend itself against the idea that leaders are possibly predatory, and this sort of thing is really not helping.

Voice your concerns to the Girl Guides HQ.

Mollygo One of my GD and her friends have just left guides because of what they are expected to do.
What were they expected to do? This sounds worrying.

A tweet from GG

"The safety and wellbeing of our members is our absolute priority. We follow rigorous recruitment and vetting procedures, have clear policies, and a volunteer code of conduct which volunteers are expected to follow to keep our members safe. We are aware of concerns raised."

"We are looking into this as a matter of urgency and will provide the necessary support and action in line with our compliance procedures"

Helen Watts was sacked from her position in Girl Guides for her views that girls should not be expected to share showers with men identifying as women.

Call me a prude but I don't think these girls should be sharing a shower with any other adults. Full stop ?

They'd be sharing showers and sleeping accommodation with transboys not the adult leader. However the guide leader isn't able to tell the girls' parents that on a residential trip their daughters will be sharing with a male bodied person. If the leaders are in a shared room the female leader has to share with the transwoman.

Scouting declared itself mixed sex open to boys and girls, but guiding still declares itself to be a single sex organisation for girls and those who self identify as such.

Rosie51. It was sharing the showers and sleeping accommodation with trans-boys and being told that they had no right to object that made them drop out. Some girls at that age are sensitive about their bodies-even at home, they like to shower in private.

I was too, I remember not liking school showers after games because they were communal, I was in and out as quickly as possible! I would have hated it even more if there was a penis dangling under the next shower head! I think the girls' parents have a right to be made aware of the presence of a transboy even if that person isn't named. Then they make an informed decision as to whether or not they give permission for their daughter to attend.

Seems as though the Girl Guides own safeguarding policy has been breached:

Make every effort to ensure that girls and young members understand why and how they must use social media responsibly and safely using the relevant privacy settings.

The sharing of illegal and inappropriate imagery online (sometimes known as sexting) can fall into two categories: illegal and inappropriate.

‘Illegal’ is child sexual abuse imagery and imagery that incites violence, hate or terrorism.

‘Inappropriate’ in this context could mean the sharing of pornography, violent content, racist content and homophobic, biphobic or transphobic content.

The policy states:
Any breach of this policy by volunteers will be managed under the managing concerns about adult volunteers policy.

Any breach of this policy by staff will be managed under the staff disciplinary procedure. Staff can find this procedure on the staff intranet.

So posting photos of yourself as a dominatrix with a whip and guns surely falls into these categories?
I've just read up on the reports of David Challenor; Sully's friend, Aimee Challenor's father. Dear God in heaven, I really wish I'd not seen that.

When my daughter was at high school I was naming her uniform and said I should name her bras as I knew they had a shower after games. No need apparently.
She said you don't think we take anything off do you? They just ran through the showers, wrapped in a towel, while the female games teacher, who was openly gay, watched.

Chewbacca

So he's not only posed with guns and whips but is also involved with another transman, (Aimee Challenor), who is in famous for trying to get their father involved in the Green Party campaign, even though he'd been charged with 22 offences for crimes including the rape and torture of a 10-year-old girl? FFS.

"Someone" will be along shortly to tell us our fears for young girls is transphobia.

What is this individual doing in Girl Guides?
There’s ample research about the way predatory individuals find their way into organisations that give them access to children.
No I’m not saying all trans people are predatory. I’m saying some people, usually men, are and that they pose a risk to children/adolescents.

I digress now from the OP. V3ra you infer that because the teacher who happened to be gay she was also had a sexual interest in the girls! " The female games teacher ,who was openly gay, watched" What are you suggesting?

Shelflife

I digress now from the OP. V3ra you infer that because the teacher who happened to be gay she was also had a sexual interest in the girls! " The female games teacher ,who was openly gay, watched" What are you suggesting?

Lesbians are no more likely to be sexual predators than heterosexual women. I’ve never been happy with games teachers ‘watching’ ie supervising, ensuring that girls or boys run through the showers. Does it really matter if the youngsters avoid this?

At what point will this playing Russian roulette with girl's safety end? When will "lessons be learned"?

I know nothing about transwomen and so would not normally post on these threads.

I felt compelled to comment here though as Girl Guiding was transformative in my life. I came from a background where there were domineering and bullying men and the heaven of the all female environment of guiding freed me and gave me a safe place. The incredible women who were leaders made anything seem possible and gave me the confidence to go out into the world as my own person.

The Guiders I encountered were exceptional women. Strong, sensible, caring women who saw the power in other women and girls and freed it. I suppose they were feminists although they would never have said that. I imagine they area all dead now, but what they would have thought of guide leaders who publicly pose with whips and guns - whatever their gender/sex - I dread to think.

Apologies for my ignorance. I just had to express my shock at this.

Coast path, please don’t apologise, I don’t see your post in any way as ignorant.
I wasn’t a Guide though two close friends were. Their experience mirrors yours.
My daughters were Brownies but didn’t stay in Guides. We still meet Brown and Snowy Owls, 30 years later when shopping or walking locally. Brownies was a huge and positive experience. Brownie camp their first time away from home aged 6 - 7. The nonsensical ideas that we are somehow expected to accept now would have prevented me allowing my girls to be in these youth groups

Shelflife I'm not suggesting anything.
I'm describing how my daughter and her friends were uncomfortable with the situation they were put in every week, and how she told me they managed it.
No adult should think it's ok to make children feel uncomfortable, or tell them they shouldn't feel that way, whoever they are.
And as I wouldn't have watched my teenage daughter in the shower, why should another adult expect to? And why should I have been expected to not mind?

Incidentally my Mum was a Guide Captain for many years. I can only imagine what she would have to say about the original post ?

I would have first asked the question of why the job wasn’t given to a woman, but I’d have been under attack, and it wasn’t my major concern.

Scouts being already set up as mixed-sex doesn't mean they will be any better.

I'm pretty sure the separate 'single-sex' sleeping and washing facilities at camp will be open to whoever chooses to identify as a girl or a boy.