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Mollygo Tue 23-Nov-21 17:10:04

One of my GD and her friends have just left guides because of what they are expected to do.
Helen Watts was sacked from her position in Girl Guides for her views that girls should not be expected to share showers with men identifying as women.
Now they have a Monica Tetley/Sully a transwoman as a senior leader who posts selfies with guns or as a ‘mistress with a whip’. If a woman did that, serious questions would be asked about her suitability. If Sully is being accepted as a woman, why are the same terms not applied? www.google.co.uk/amp/s/4w.pub/trans-identified-male-now-a-senior-leader-at-girl-guides-uk/amp/

Forsythia Wed 24-Nov-21 09:09:01

Whoever allowed this individual into the Guides movement needs removing from their post. You only have to look at the photos provided above to see this person is highly undesirable. It’s well known access is acquired to get at young girls through targeting organisations where they can. It makes me very angry.

FarNorth Wed 24-Nov-21 10:16:32

Now we have two classes of women, the ones who must put up, shove up and be quiet/kind and the ones who get to do and say exactly what they want because they have 'lady penises'.

Very well put.
I thought it was worth having that in bold.

SueDonim Wed 24-Nov-21 10:16:50

It’s being picked up elsewhere, too. Good!

thecritic.co.uk/jeepers-creepers/

FarNorth Wed 24-Nov-21 10:18:14

I hope that enough girls remove themselves from the situation that the Guide Association has to think again.

Chewbacca Wed 24-Nov-21 11:09:02

Strange that Helen Watts, who ran a Rainbows group in London, was sacked because she broke the "organisation’s volunteer code of conduct" by raising concerns that a boy who identified as a girl was still legally and physically male and that trans inclusion, while laudable, must not sacrifice the safety and inclusion of girls.

But a trans woman volunteer can pose for selfies toting a gun, a sword and a whip and that's absolutely fine.

It feels as though the world has gone absolutely bloody mad. angry

JillyJosie2 Wed 24-Nov-21 12:35:22

This is utterly shocking. Similary, I have been disturbed lately by how over the top the WI have gone regarding trans women, I hope this post doesn't seem off topic.
There is a woman called Petra Wenham who is a trans woman who is all over the place on tv and radio and was on the cover of a recent WI Magazine. She came to talk to our WI and our secretary in particular bends over backwards to be 'liberal' and to lambast anyone who disagrees but I think this is all very serious and is actually propaganda.
I have never had any problem with people being gay/whatever makes their life ok but not when it infringes on the privacy and rights of others.
There was a short article in yesterday's Times about how primary school age girls who don't like dolls or dresses are being automatically assumed to be the wrong gender. It's complete madness.
The WI says it's about diversity and of course, all these organisations must apply the law but how the law is being used to subject others to the whims of a few just isn't reasonable. www.thewi.org.uk/about-us/wi-key-messages/equality-diversity-inclusion-policy

FarNorth Wed 24-Nov-21 13:15:03

I googled Petra Wenham - who seems to enjoy getting a lot of attention.
I guess an inoffensive transwoman baking cakes is nothing to be concerned about, but why is it not allowed to have anywhere at all that is single sex?
A single sex environment can be completely different to a mixed one. Surely there's room for both.

I have a female friend who has been attending Men's Shed recently, doing woodwork.
Men's Shed clubs are okay with women being there, if they have similar interests to the men.
Nevertheless she has told the organisers to let her know if they feel there is any awkwardness about her being there.
She recognizes that the men might prefer a single-sex environment and she is prepared to back off, if so.
Transwomen, apparently, not only don't back off but push themselves forward at every opportunity.

I wonder if any of Petra's talk attenders ask how it could have been if Petra were to present in exactly the same way - dresses, hairstyle etc - without claiming to be a woman.

GillT57 Wed 24-Nov-21 13:22:18

This situation will make attending GGuides more difficult surely for those girls from more conservative upbringing, from Muslim families? What about their rights?

Chewbacca Wed 24-Nov-21 13:34:30

Exactly GillT57, they're impacted severely by this, as a Orthodox Jewish girls. But, the rights of transwomen trump the rights of all other females. I saw this post on MN and I think it sums the situation up perfectly:

The end goal of the TRA/Genderist agenda is the complete removal of anything and everything that women and girls have for themselves - spaces, services, language, clubs, associations - you name it they want it, women and girls must have NOTHING exclusively for themselves.

BeverleyJB Wed 24-Nov-21 15:02:36

The Girlguiding movement has been going downhill for some time. See the link below for their guidance to leaders about providing contraception to girls aged 13 and upwards "on residential events" etc.

www.girlguiding.org.uk/globalassets/docs-and-resources/programme-and-activities/lets-talk-about-sex-and-relationships-advice-for-leaders.pdf

Can I please ask that we all stop using the term "trans woman" - it's not true, these people are Trans Identifying Males" (or TIMS). Only women have the right to be referred to as women - trans activists are erasing our rights, don't allow them to erase our language too.

Peasblossom Wed 24-Nov-21 15:04:56

Oh, I’m not sure the Tim’s of this world are going to be happy with TIMS.

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Calistemon Wed 24-Nov-21 15:11:08

Poor Tim.
He used to be 'nice but dim', now he's a 'trans-identifying male'

FarNorth Wed 24-Nov-21 15:28:42

the rights wants of transwomen trump the rights of all other females

That's how it is, in my view.

FarNorth Wed 24-Nov-21 15:40:27

You're right BeverleyJB.

'TIM' & 'TIF' are banned on Mumsnet, along with 't*rf', and it's the same in many online forums.

The intention of trans activists is to cause confusion which has clearly been successful, as can be seen on this very thread, where some posters have been unsure whether a boy claiming to be a girl is a transboy or a transgirl.

We do need to stop trying to be polite by using the terms that trans activists have told us to use, and say clearly what exactly we are talking about.