Are we being deliberately panicked to stop us seeing what is happening

Spoke to someone yesterday who works at a London hospital Trust They have run out of siderooms with piped oxygen to accommodate all the covid patients and they are now using old rooms with portable cylinders.

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Alegrias1

She’s the South African medic asked to scrutinise the UK government's response to the new strain by Westminster's science and technology committee.

Don't think so

Don’t shoot the messenger - this is how she was described by Sky News.

Not shooting the messenger.

But she was asked to give evidence to the committee about her experience with Omicron. That's not the same as being asked to scrutinise the governments response.

Maybe they've asked her to do more now.

@Alegrias1. They didn’t give much detail on her background. Wasn’t she the one who first flagged up Omicron in SA ?

I'm having this conversation on two threads now

Dr Coetzee highlighted that she had patients that were presenting with unusual symptoms and the body that does the sequencing did their thing and identified an new variant.

I'm not saying she's wrong, or trying to undermine her, I don't have the knowledge or background. But I do think there's a lot of weight being put on her testimony and even if she is correct, she is talking about a few patients, a small percentage in the grand scheme of things.

Alegrias
If you’re not a vaccine denier why are you opposed to Covid Passes

Because they don't work?

I've had all three jags, including the booster. I'll queue up for anything else they want to give me.

We've come to a pretty pass if somebody can look at the evidence, see that the thing being proposed doesn't work, and believe that it would be a distraction from actually doing something about it. And then gets told they are a vaccine denier.

Well, most experts and most MPs interpret the evidence differently, I’m happy with that and pleased that when I go out everyone has been vaccinated.
I dont agree with most of which this government does, vaccine passes I support.

Well that's fine, you are allowed your opinion and I'm allowed mine. Having different views to you does not make anybody a vaccine denier.

Interesting that you think that the "experts" agree with the government when the UK Health Security Agency weren't even consulted about whether the Passes should be brought in.

Opinions aside, I guess the alternative was some kind of lockdown which would be even more unpopular. If nothing had been done BJ would be blamed for the spread of Omicron.

Some would remove all restrictions, accept that Covid will spread, there will be more illness and death which is inevitable.
They cite that only 1% of infections result in hospitalization and much lower risk of death, much like any influenza epidemic.

Its not either/or. Covid Passes or Lockdown. There are lots of options.

Of course we have to have restrictions. I say this as neither a vaccine denier, a conspiracy theorist, a bigot or an idiot.

If my maths is right, 1% of 1 million is 10,000. If the conversion rate of infection to hospitalisation is 1%. (which we don’t know for sure yet), and they are predicting infections may rise to 1 million a day, that could potentially be over a month of 10,000 hospitalisations per day. Worst case scenario, that’s what I think they are worried about.

Sorry what is the link between not being a supporter for COVID pasports and being an anti-vaxxer. I cannot find any. Perhaps you could explain Katie59 They are two totally unrelated concepts.

I too am unsure what thepurpose of the passports is. Yet I couldnt get vaccinated fast enough and was wearing mask and gloves from the first week of the first lockdown. I am being assiduous in my mask wearing.

Whichever decision was made it would be wrong. That worries me more than anything. e.g.
Some post info saying Omicron is not dangerous, so we don’t need any precautions, others that it is dangerous and we need more precautions than those demanded at the moment.
Some criticise leaving hospitality open, others criticise precautions suggested to allow hospitality to remain open.
One suggestion is to limit your socialising to three households? If we did that just for family that’s 8 adults all working (not from home) -in schools, industry, hospitality and elsewhere, plus Uni students from different uni’s and children from primary and secondary schools.
In parts of the UK we’re allowed to do that-but how is that safer?
Does anyone have a guaranteed way to stop the virus spreading AND a way to make everyone comply?

Mollygo there isn't one and never will be.