Perverted man claims to be a woman - may be housed in a women's prison

Noticing that some fruits are apples and some are oranges is not disciminating against either of them, it is being aware of the difference Apples are apples and oranges are oranges. Apples don't become oranges when they notice that they feel like an orange, and have more affinity with ducks than with roast pork. They still have different sized pips, a different texture of skin and flesh, and if you plant the pips, you will get an apple tree, not an orange tree.

Elegran

Noticing that some fruits are apples and some are oranges is not disciminating against either of them, it is being aware of the difference Apples are apples and oranges are oranges. Apples don't become oranges when they notice that they feel like an orange, and have more affinity with ducks than with roast pork. They still have different sized pips, a different texture of skin and flesh, and if you plant the pips, you will get an apple tree, not an orange tree.

However if you stand at the farm and chuck all the apples out because they don't look like oranges you are discriminating aren't you

But trisher, if you throw the bad oranges OR apples out rather than causing food poisoning, is that discrimination in your world?

May I ask trisher do you think the person mentioned in the thread title is a woman because they say they are?

Who has mentioned (literally or metaphorically) 'chucking out' transpeople?

What people are saying is that sex-segregation is the way forward for prisons and sport. That is not the same thing as 'chucking out' anyone - just grouping people by sex for particular activities. How they identify outside of those activities is not an issue.

Don't hold your breath, Ilovecheese. That's the sort of tricky question that rarely gets an answer.

We're still waiting to hear whether trisher feels that transwomen should be automatically allowed into any women's event or not.

Mollygo

Et tu brute, by your constant support of ‘all’ transwomen and your belief that they can become or are female.

Mollygo I have never said transwomen become female. The whole crux of the argument is that sex and gender are seperate things. Gender is the way someone presents and usually consists of women, men and non-binary.
If someone looks like a woman, acts like a woman or says she is a woman I will accept her as such.
If someone looks like a man, acts like a man or says he is a man I will accept him as such.
If someone says they are non-binary I will address them as they and accept their gender is none of my business.
Some of the people in all three categories will be female, some will be male. that is their sex and it can't be changed but it is highly unlikely that I will ever need to know which sex they are. Their gender is what matters in everyday life

Does that include the person mentioned in the opening post trisher?

NOTHING to do with trans, whatever bile spews out of his mouth.

But how can that be so gagajo when, using your logic, anyone can be anything they say they are? And he says he's a woman. Ipso facto a transwoman. Your posts keep conflicting each other and are becoming illogical

It is nice to see you differentiating between sex and gender, Trisher, and high time that it was generally recognised that transpeople change their gender (presentation) but not their sex (biological)

It should not be an offence for someone to speak to or refer to anyone by the "wrong" pronoun, since that is not wrong according to their unchanged sex. That they prefer another pronoun is something they are free to say and something that many will go along with, but the other person should not be penalised if they don't do it.

Iam64

Yet, he claims to be a trans woman.

Funny how some on here won't take the word of other GN members but will believe what a paedophile, animal abuser says. ?

GagaJo

Iam64

Yet, he claims to be a trans woman.

Funny how some on here won't take the word of other GN members but will believe what a paedophile, animal abuser says. ?

Has anyone on here spoken to him? I don't think anyone has taken his word. Are you suggesting that the story is untrue and that he never claimed to be a transwoman?

What has been said by GN members that has been disbelieved?

Iam64

Yet, he claims to be a trans woman.

Doodledog.

So are you suggesting that the story is untrue, and that he never claimed to be a transwoman? .

I'm not following this at all.

Mollygo

But trisher, if you throw the bad oranges OR apples out rather than causing food poisoning, is that discrimination in your world?

So are transpeople "bad" now in some way?

Elegran

It is nice to see you differentiating between sex and gender, Trisher, and high time that it was generally recognised that transpeople change their gender (presentation) but not their sex (biological)

It should not be an offence for someone to speak to or refer to anyone by the "wrong" pronoun, since that is not wrong according to their unchanged sex. That they prefer another pronoun is something they are free to say and something that many will go along with, but the other person should not be penalised if they don't do it.

But how would you know? All you know is the pronoun they choose. you can't be certain of their sex unless you insist on a physical for everyone you meet. If people choose butch women may be addressed as "he". Is that OK?

Doodledog It doesn't matter how many times you ask the same question you are going to get the same answer. Transwomen should be allowed at any event for women unless that event, pastime, meeting, shindig, organisation is such that admitting transwomen would prevent women from attending in which case the law says even those with a GRC can be refused access.
In fact if there are enough Gender critical women out there as you seem to imagine if you organised to say you wouldn't use a facility if transwomen did you should be able to keep them out anywhere. Won't happen though because most of us are considerate.

trisher

Mollygo

But trisher, if you throw the bad oranges OR apples out rather than causing food poisoning, is that discrimination in your world?

So are transpeople "bad" now in some way?

By their fruits you will know them. (Matthew 7:20) If they do bad things, they are rotten fruit.

Chewbacca

^NOTHING to do with trans, whatever bile spews out of his mouth.^

But how can that be so gagajo when, using your logic, anyone can be anything they say they are? And he says he's a woman. Ipso facto a transwoman. Your posts keep conflicting each other and are becoming illogical

As I said earlier: start pulling the threads and all starts to fall apart ?.

trisher

Right:
Woman is a term used for the gender of people who present in a certain way usually attributed to females but encompassing anyone who presents in a similar way and wishes to be called a women

Man is a term used for people who present as the opposite gender, usually attributed to males but encompassing anyone who presents in a similar way and wishes to be called a man

Non-binary is a term for people who choose not to identify as either woman or man
It's no use defining one term because the others influence and are part of the whole picture.Although I realise transwomen are the obsession on GN.

Wrong. Woman is a term ascribed or belonging to females.
Sometimes it is used by men who, with no intention of causing harm, unfairness or distress to women and no doubts about the fact that they cannot change sex because they understand the difference between sex and gender, have rejected their maleness because they feel more akin to women. They are not a problem to posters on here or indeed to most people.
At other times it is used by men for the opposite of all those purposes above.
Those in the second group, not only seek to cause harm to those females rightfully called women, but also to cause harm to those in the first group. Unfortunately, this is too difficult for them and their adherents to grasp, and they trumpet loudly about discrimination, whilst at the same time practising discrimination themselves.

MerylStreep

Chewbacca

NOTHING to do with trans, whatever bile spews out of his mouth.

But how can that be so gagajo when, using your logic, anyone can be anything they say they are? And he says he's a woman. Ipso facto a transwoman. Your posts keep conflicting each other and are becoming illogical

As I said earlier: start pulling the threads and all starts to fall apart ?.

If you want to believe a person that rapes children and animals, your standards are somewhat different to mine.

So, if we can't believe this person, why would we have faith that they genuinely and suddenly feel they are a woman?

If someone looks like a woman, acts like a woman or says she is a woman I will accept her as such.
I think we can all agree thatthe person who is the subject of this thread in no way acted like a woman hence he is not a transwoman or a woman. In fact the whole subject of this thread to link a pervert with transpeple is an example of how desperate some people are.
It reminds me of when people used to try and link gay men with paedophiles.

trisher

Doodledog It doesn't matter how many times you ask the same question you are going to get the same answer. Transwomen should be allowed at any event for women unless that event, pastime, meeting, shindig, organisation is such that admitting transwomen would prevent women from attending in which case the law says even those with a GRC can be refused access.
In fact if there are enough Gender critical women out there as you seem to imagine if you organised to say you wouldn't use a facility if transwomen did you should be able to keep them out anywhere. Won't happen though because most of us are considerate.

This is the first answer I've had, however many times I've asked the question. I don't disagree.

I very much doubt that your strange idea of people organising to keep out transwomen would ever come to pass. I wouldn't join in if they did. It strikes me as an idea from the same stable as your obsession with people having to flash their genitals (or have them examined, depending on your mood) in order to prove their sex - ie dystopian and undesirable.

Simply feeling that sex is not gender, and that sex is the basis on which a limited number of things should be segregated (examples given to the point of tedium) is not remotely the same as wanting to refuse transwomen entry to women's events, or to approving of these bizarre genital inspections that you bring up so regularly.

GagaJo, what is it that you are disbelieving? The report that says the man claimed to be a transwoman? That he said he identified as a woman? I don't understand this tangent at all.

Hmmm
But he had made an effort to ‘look like a woman’. That was the whole point of this thread. Should he have been allowed to claim the right to be placed in a women’s prison because he said he was a woman.
I’m sure, if I CBA to look back you have pointed out that women commit horrific crimes, ergo he could be said to be acting like a woman according to your previous posts. So
He said he was a woman
He acted like you have claimed some women do.
He looked like a woman- debatable I know.
How have you decided that in this instance, you will not accept him as a transwoman?