Presuming BJ goes.

I agree with others on here - Kier Starmer and Angela Rayner as deputy. The country would be in safe hands. I don’t understand why people complain that Starmer is ‘boring’ or ‘dull’. Politics is not show business. The Prime Minister should not be a showman / entertainer. Such an important office demands intelligence, honesty, integrity and calmness - Kier Starmer all the way for me. Can’t wait to see the back of bumbling BoJo!

Buttercup1954

Oh please no! She has destroyed Scotland with her division and hatred, never mind the litany of errors and misjudgements.

Who, Angela?

I've grown to admire Angela Rayner - full of fire and conviction, and a good speaker. She reminds me of a young Margaret Thatcher (though she'd have to get rid of the long curls - too girly - plus of course Labour would have to win the next election!)

Why is it always assumed that Tories back Farage. He’s an idiot. I don’t for one minute think that immigrants are housed in 5 star hotels. I would like to see our immigration processes speeded up. There are doctors, nurses, teachers, drivers, fruit pickers, cleaners and many other much needed occupations waiting to be cleared. More resources in these areas are what grass root Tories are campaigning for.
I am not against immigration at all but am anti illegal immigration.
The sacred cow that is the NHS is not to be privatised but certainly needs a huge overhaul. It will take a brave political party that dares.
I am in favour of levelling up, of opportunity, of aspiration and of fairness.
I am in favour of tougher measures on crime but not of birching or hanging.
I am in favour of some changes of a stagnant judicial system.
I am not a fan of austerity but neither do I favour a free for all. I like the Johnson government ideas of spending on infrastructure to gain prosperity in the longer term.
It’s my view. I don’t believe I am in the minority out in the real world but yes I know I am on gransnet. Do I care? Not a jot.

Why is it always assumed that Tories back Farage.

Have I missed a page? Who mentioned Farage?

Please God not Theresa May or Gove or that Rees Mogg ugh. Agree what Boris Johnson does in his PRIVATE life is up to him isn't it? Well the media are having a field day aren't they?and I'm afraid that a witch hunt looks to be on the cards. Agree with the poster who mentioned John Smith as he would have made a splendid prime minister .but as for for Blair well he did so many awful things to our country! IMO

Alegrias1

^Why is it always assumed that Tories back Farage.^

Have I missed a page? Who mentioned Farage?

The notion that immigration is an issue, the comment about thinking that immigrants are put up in posh hotels points at Farage supporters imo.

On a day when the Home Secretary thinks its acceptable to ask the Royal Navy to physically push immigrants back where they came from, I'm afraid that saying Tory supporters are not like Farage when it comes to immigration does ring a bit hollow.

Where the Tories are concerned, I'm afraid it would be a case of trying to find the most bearable one. None of them seem to have the faintest idea of what it's like to live on a low income or be sick and dependent on the NHS, and I think that the Party's values are utterly wrong. I suppose that I would go along with those who suggested Rory Stewart, as the best of a bad bunch, though he's not an MP at the moment.

I don't know what anyone sees in Rishi Sunak, apart from the fact that he isn't Boris Johnson, and Liz Truss seems to be a nincompoop. Dominic Raab appears to have gone quiet - isn't he the deputy PM? I would have thought that he would be in the running, though some of the remarks he has made suggest that he is a bit dim too. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Michael Gove.

Anyone but Priti Patel. She sends shivers down my spine.

As for Labour, under Starmer's leadership they have reverted to being Tory Lite. Abstaining from voting on capping benefits for some of the poorest people, supporting the increasing involvement of private companies in the NHS, failing to fight against policies that affect the old such breaking the triple lock... Are we really supposed to vote for them just because they are marginally less awful than the Tories?

I make no excuses for the fact that I would still like to see Jeremy Corbyn as PM, although that will obviously never happen. Therefore I would choose someone else with genuine principles, such as Zarah Sultana. She is young but she has compassion and integrity, and we have had a distinct lack of those qualities under Johnson's leadership.

Not many Tories that I know are any more uncaring or unfeeling than any other person. We do need to find a way of discouraging the dangerous crossing of the channel in dinghies. I don’t know how we can do that but I am one who is campaigning for a better immigration process to encourage more to take the legal and safer route.

Crossing the channel in a dinghy and landing in Britain isn't illegal. But I'm sure Ms Patel knows that.

LauraNorderr

Not many Tories that I know are any more uncaring or unfeeling than any other person. We do need to find a way of discouraging the dangerous crossing of the channel in dinghies. I don’t know how we can do that but I am one who is campaigning for a better immigration process to encourage more to take the legal and safer route.

How about reinstating safe passage?

Whitewavemark2

DiscoDancer1975

LauraNorderr

As a fully paid up member of the Conservative party I voted for Boris Johnson in the last leadership election and would do so again.
I am not interested in his private life which does indeed sound chaotic at best.
I voted for him because he is optimistic, ambitious and unafraid.
I believe that his ambition to go down in history as a great prime minister would have led him to follow his manifesto commitment of levelling up, of spending hugely on infrastructure, of tackling crime and drug crime in particular and controlling immigration.
Sadly two things put the kybosh on this, firstly the pandemic which threw the world in to total chaos. Our country more than most due to our huge population contained on our small island and us being a travel hub.
Secondly our media who seem to have more hatred for Boris Johnson than any previous leader. He has been hounded by the press from day one. An argument in a previous flat made weeks of headlines insinuating that domestic violence had occurred and yet that same couple are now married with two children. The decoration of the Downing Street flat blown out of all proportion. The incumbent is likely to be there for five years so redecorating to their taste should not be an issue and if a party donor is willing to fork out for it I don’t see a problem.
Now we have huge and malevolent coverage of the ‘parties’. Downing St is a block of offices employing large numbers of civil servants and other staff. Many were working when others were furloughed or working from home. A debrief on a Friday is not unusual for many companies. Often a glass of wine and a few nibbles. During lockdown it is possible that the debrief could be held outdoors to take advantage of sunny weather, social distanced and an opportunity for the PM to say thank you to staff who risked coming in to work. Other parties seem to have been arranged by civil servants while the PM was at Chequers. Cats away, mice will play.
I’m not saying any of this is the case but these scenarios are possible, so instead of the media hyping up as wrong doing why not wait until after the investigation.
To change PM now would be destabilising. We have the threat of Russia and China working to this end but neither need to bother while our own media are doing the job for them.
I’m not going duck behind a parapet as Tories are expected to do on gransnet but will sit back and enjoy.

Beautifully put??. So much better than I could have done. I’m sitting quietly waiting for the S..t to hit the fan when we start to hear about other ‘ parties ‘, from other institutions.

There is no doubt in my mind that we will.

One thing for sure and which fills me with hope is that you are in a tiny minority.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that WWM

Mollygo
Andy Burnham may only be a Mayor now but he was an MP in Gordon Brown's cabinet.

I wouldn’t be so sure about that WWM

I would.

well said LauraNorderr but I would vote for any Labour MP now or even Lib Dem since I'm in a Tory safe seat & that might be the only way to get rid of the safe seat scroungers, then we can get a Corbyn style gov't in since they'll bring in PR, LibDems have long been in favour

If you are at all interested in tbe MP who resigned as a ministrr it was Johnny Mercer who foughtbsn heroic battle to stop the ridiculous prosecutions of British Soldiers in NI while pardoning the IRA killers. This was another Boris failure. Rory Stewart is not really PM material. If Boris had stuck with Marina and not succumbed to Carries charms he would not be in such troubles. Our problem as Conservatives is to pick a charismatic new leader with voter appeal. That is not easy! So Boris will stay for a while. Why is there no criticism of the journos who have
always known what was happening at number 10 but said nothing for a long time. Then Cummings who
Knew that Carrie sought to be Boris’s political advisor and we csn see that in the costly green agenda that many people can not afford. She influenced no 10 appointments and Boris was stupid enough to let that happen. She was responsible for the wallpaper debacle. Then she took a fractious child to Boris’s mothers funeral and actually passed Wilfred to his father even though Boris was mourning his mothers death. I have never liked Carrie. The wife of the PM should not be pursuing her own political agenda. We did not elect her!

Well said LauraNorderr. There's more of us out there than some other Gransnetters like to believe.

The ‘army guy’ is Johnny Mercer who, at least, seems to have principles also Tom Tugendhat who also seems to have a social conscience. My labour dream team would be Andy Burnham and Jess Phillips-real down to earth folk

twitter.com/grantfeller/status/1482714077222866948

Overly forgiving, careless with money, unwilling to address flaws, abandoning him during illness, forcing him to change nappies and unsophisticated. It’s his wife who’s to blame for Boris Johnson’s woes says Tom Bower whose own wife is a close friend of and was ennobled by Boris

Its all Carrie's fault. Apparently.

twinnytwin

Well said LauraNorderr. There's more of us out there than some other Gransnetters like to believe.

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Gransnetters are in the highest Tory support demographic, that is the material point. The graph that Alegrias1 showed demonstrates the mood of the country as a whole, not the views of Gransnetters. This is not going to go away, how ever much of a blind eye some of you may want to turn. I’m far more interested in knowing who you all think should replace him than I am in your slavish devotion to Icarus.

It’s been good to see some ideas for replacements and even, where the support is for BJ, the reasons why.
I won’t hold my breath about PR though. It only seems to be popular when you’re not in power. Now if the government in power started the use of it before the next election, or the opposition promised with a real promise, not political promise to introduce it as soon as they were in power, it might increase the chance of my vote. Then I think, wasn’t PR how Farage got his seat in the European Parliament?

DiscoDancer1975

twinnytwin

Well said LauraNorderr. There's more of us out there than some other Gransnetters like to believe.

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You only think that because more people in the 65+ age group are likely to vote tory so you're more likely to know tory voters.

Tories are currently about 10 - 12 points below Labour in voting intention polls. So not that many of you out there...

Oh. More or less, 'snap', Casdon