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Calendargirl Sat 22-Jan-22 09:38:51

Been discussed before, I know, but in the DT today, it seems that support for this to be the Duchess of Cornwall’s title in the fullness of time is ever more likely.

I, for one, would be pleased to see this happen. Princess Consort would be a silly title for the wife of the King.

I have never thought Charles will allow his beloved wife to hold an inferior title.

Jaberwok Mon 07-Feb-22 17:59:59

Yes of course it is. She deserved to find happiness exactly the same way as we all do. She might well have married again and had more children, or not, who knows. No one deserves what happened to her, but why oh why did she not wear a seat belt, why did go in a car with a drunken driver? why go at all knowing the Paparazzi were waiting for her? why not spend the night in the Ritz, owned by Dodi's father, and travel the next day under police escort or helicopter if necessary? Why didn't Dodi care for her properly? They paid a very heavy price for being so foolish and irresponsible.

GagaJo Mon 07-Feb-22 18:56:53

62Granny

I think the reason the Queen as made this announcement, is that no one can can say it would not be something she would have wanted when she is gone. I wish people would get over Diana, they married it was not a happy marriage they divorced end of. Prince Charles married the women he always wanted to marry in the first place.

It isn't 'end of' 62Granny. That is your perspective.

The 'end of' was the untimely death of a young woman, very damaged by the treatment of her by the RF.

The issue isn't the divorce. It is 1) being deceptive about why he was marrying her, 2) adultery, 3) mistreating her while married causing extreme mental distress, 4) his family having little sympathy for her.

I don't think anyone is bothered by him remarrying. The oly issue is that Camilla shouldn't be Queen.

Yes, the Queen is giving us her perspective. But as we know, she doesn't always 'read' the country well. Never did she prove that more than after Diana's death.

Anniebach Mon 07-Feb-22 19:16:19

GagoJo where is your proof he mistreated her, if you want to continue avoiding producing evidence and repeat the tabloids
i will join you.

A groundsman at Clarence House said in an interview-
the night before the wedding Diana was joyfully jigging around
the gardens singing ‘tomorrow I will be the princess of Wales’

An ex staff member said in an interview she went to visit a man who was in rehab , gave him some booze and questioned him about Kanga Tyron’s relationship with Charles

Jaberwok Mon 07-Feb-22 20:20:06

At the time of Diana's death the Queen was at Balmoral, with her were her Son and her two young Grandsons,. The Queen had to decide whether she stayed at Balmoral to support her very young grandsons who were basically no more than children, or did she go back to London to support a hysterical mob of weeping public who frankly had never met Diana and were behaving quite ridiculously. She did absolutely the right thing in putting her grandsons shock and grief at the loss of their mother first and foremost and stay exactly where she was to comfort and support them. The public just had to wait,her grandsons were much more important.

MissAdventure Mon 07-Feb-22 20:24:05

And she lowered the flag, too, eventually.

Zoejory Mon 07-Feb-22 20:26:50

Jaberwok

At the time of Diana's death the Queen was at Balmoral, with her were her Son and her two young Grandsons,. The Queen had to decide whether she stayed at Balmoral to support her very young grandsons who were basically no more than children, or did she go back to London to support a hysterical mob of weeping public who frankly had never met Diana and were behaving quite ridiculously. She did absolutely the right thing in putting her grandsons shock and grief at the loss of their mother first and foremost and stay exactly where she was to comfort and support them. The public just had to wait,her grandsons were much more important.

Very true, Jaberwok

MissAdventure Mon 07-Feb-22 20:28:03

I'm not sure what support anyone expected the queen to give them.

Jaberwok Mon 07-Feb-22 20:37:40

Her grandsons were more important than a flag.

Anniebach Mon 07-Feb-22 20:44:12

A grandmother was given a choice, comfort her grandchildren or leave for London because hysterical people were sobbing -
the Queen should be here, the latter I assume was what some believe was’ not reading the country well ‘.

MissAdventure Mon 07-Feb-22 21:03:08

Jaberwok

Her grandsons were more important than a flag.

I don't think she would have been lowering herself.
That's what staff are for.

MissAdventure Mon 07-Feb-22 21:04:02

Oops!
I meant lowering the flag herself.

GagaJo Mon 07-Feb-22 21:08:17

She did not appreciate how important Diana's death was to the country. No one is suggesting she should have abandoned her DGC. But the 'stiff upper lip' and the refusal to lower the flag were not what was needed.

In the same way she backed Andrew, longer than she should. She is also not thinking of the country, or unusually, the crown, by wanting Camilla to be queen. It will weaken the monarchy if that happens.

Just as well really, IMO. It's past its best.

Anniebach Mon 07-Feb-22 21:15:39

Diana’s death was not important to the country, it was a tragedy and many were shocked and sad but it did not cause
a crisis for the country.

Jaberwok Mon 07-Feb-22 21:21:37

Well, if it had been me under the same circumstances with my grandchildren, their welfare would far outweigh any weeping and wailing public demanding that I come back to London, leaving them to get on with it, while I talk to said public, oh and make sure the flag was at half mast. Those children would have been far more important.

Jaberwok Mon 07-Feb-22 21:22:25

Exactly Annie.

Mollygo Mon 07-Feb-22 21:25:36

Diana’s death was not important to the whole country. Many people were upset whether they liked her or not, because of the fact that she died. That’s natural, but not important to the country. Many people were just as horrified by the fact that she was with Dodi Fayed as they were by her death. Commentaries in France, where I was at the time also mentioned how shocked the British people were by the fact that Diana was with Mr Fayed.
She’s dead. if you think she have would have denied either herself or PC the right to future happiness, it paints a different picture.

Anniebach Mon 07-Feb-22 21:29:23

I don’t understand why anyone can say the Queen backed Andrew, she has never publicly said one word about him .

GagaJo Mon 07-Feb-22 21:34:35

Jaberwok

Well, if it had been me under the same circumstances with my grandchildren, their welfare would far outweigh any weeping and wailing public demanding that I come back to London, leaving them to get on with it, while I talk to said public, oh and make sure the flag was at half mast. Those children would have been far more important.

Who said they weren't?

It would have taken seconds to request the flag be taken down.

GagaJo Mon 07-Feb-22 21:38:52

Anniebach

Diana’s death was not important to the country, it was a tragedy and many were shocked and sad but it did not cause
a crisis for the country.

You must have been elsewhere at the time.

I was in a town which was on the route the car carrying her took on the way back to Althorpe, the day after her funeral. There were still flowers on the roads.

Josieann Mon 07-Feb-22 21:54:05

When the Queen said about that annus horribilis in her Christmas speech I think she really did show that she is human and does get upset like the rest of us. I'm sure she would have wanted to make everything right for William and Harry at the time of Diana's death.

Jaberwok Mon 07-Feb-22 21:56:47

I'm sure there were, there were flowers everywhere, her death was a tragedy, but it was not important to the country, if so, in what respect? I've no idea whether the Queen has or is supporting Andrew, as she's never uttered a word about it. I don't see how anyone else knows either.

Jaberwok Mon 07-Feb-22 22:06:08

Of course she is human with everything that goes with being human. She just doesn't go on about things or make a fuss. Never explain, never complain. Most of the RF are the same, they just get on with it. One exception is Prince Harry who never seems to stop tediously whining about all the hardships he has to endure in his multi million pound lifestyle poor darling!

welbeck Mon 07-Feb-22 22:06:59

why would people be upset that diana was with dodi al-fayed; i don't remember hearing seeing that at the time or since.
certainly was not a widespread feeling in uk.
sounds odd. ? mollygo ?

Anniebach Mon 07-Feb-22 22:08:53

GagaJo what crisis occurred for the country ?

And the country was not in Althorpe , many people threw flowers at the hearse , not millions of people , many people.

MissAdventure Mon 07-Feb-22 22:11:32

I don't remember anyone being shocked about Dodi.
As has been said, times move on, we aren't still at the point where people are shocked about her companion, surely?