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grannyrebel7 Mon 28-Feb-22 17:01:58

Talking with my DIL on the weekend we were discussing Ukranian citizens being told to make Molotov cocktails to attack the Russians. I said I could never do that as I abhor all forms of violence. She said that she would do it if she were in their position to protect the children. I suppose she had a different slant on it to me not having any little children now. What does everyone else think?

DiscoDancer1975 Mon 28-Feb-22 18:57:03

Chestnut

I could definitely pull the trigger on Putin. I think he is the anti-Christ.

No...the anti Christ will appear to bring world peace. It will be a delusion which won’t last, and he doesn’t come out of Russia.

grannypiper Mon 28-Feb-22 19:03:12

I wouldn't even have to think about it. As for Putin i would smile as i shot the swine right between the eyes.

Jaxjacky Mon 28-Feb-22 19:05:39

Yes, in the same situation, I would.

BlueBelle Mon 28-Feb-22 19:07:17

Oh gosh really grannypiper I can’t imagine being able to do it but you never know until your in the situation and hopefully we won’t be It would be a dreadful decision to make and I suppose in the moment you would do what you think would be right and have the strength

Nannylovesshopping Mon 28-Feb-22 19:07:29

Most definitely!

VioletSky Mon 28-Feb-22 19:10:07

I watched a video the other day, a Russian military vehicle had broken down, a Ukrainian pulled up to the drivers window and offered to give them a tow.... Back to Russia.

They all laughed

These are all just people, all with families, most of them probably don't want to be there.

Of course I'd defend myself and my children if I had too but the cost is very high and heartbreaking

M0nica Mon 28-Feb-22 19:21:40

DH and I were discussing this this aftenoon. We decide that at our age, both heading for 80, we have had a good run, and we would both have no hesitation in taking up arms and/or doing everything we could to protect our country, and by definition all its people, from the unjustified attack of another country, no matter how large and powerful.

Grandma70s Mon 28-Feb-22 19:30:18

The violence implicit and explicit in some of these replies makes one realise why there are wars in the first place.

M0nica Mon 28-Feb-22 19:38:01

Grandma70s If you make an answer like the above you need to tell us what you would do and what you think the Ukrainian nation should do.

Human and animal aggressive impulses have been with us from the beginning in order to protect ourselves and assure our continuing existence.

Georgesgran Mon 28-Feb-22 19:38:09

I’d defend my children, grandchildren and Country/Freedom by whatever measure I could. Would those who advocate doing nothing just allow themselves and their families to be walked all over and stripped of their homeland/jobs/income by a deranged maniac? There are already charities begging for donations to help these poor displaced people. Makes me so angry!

Trisha57 Mon 28-Feb-22 19:47:04

Without a moment's hesitation if my loved ones were under direct threat.

grannypiper Mon 28-Feb-22 19:47:16

Grandma70s you may have lived a charmed life and if that is the case i am glad for you. I on the other hand have had to turn the ignition key in my car and hold my breath whilst hoping and praying myself and my children aren't about to be blown to smithereens because someone has stuck a bomb under my car. That situation tends to show you that the world is not an easy place to live, so i am happy to say yes i will do whatever to protect my family and to be honest my neighbours family too.

DiscoDancer1975 Mon 28-Feb-22 19:55:33

I think these things are easy to say, from the comfort of our own homes.

The people you would be killing, have not started this war. Many young men may have signed up, because they expected one day they may need to defend their country. Very different to invading another.

Now if you’re talking about direct attack on Putin himself, that’s more understandable.

Deedaa Mon 28-Feb-22 20:06:19

My mother was working with radar somewhere around Liverpool during the war. She said they had guns there and, if the Germans had invaded, she would have had no hesitation in shooting anyone who entered their headquarters.

AGAA4 Mon 28-Feb-22 20:07:29

I wouldn't stand by and let anyone harm my family so yes I would fight if it was the only choice between them and us.

Grandma70s Mon 28-Feb-22 20:14:35

grannypiper, I wonder why you think I have lived a charmed life. Actually I was born during the Blitz and have also been dangerously ill. I was widowed at the age of 40. Not all that charmed.

I don’t know why I would do in any situation, but I suppose I would do what was necessary. If it involved violence, it would be with a very heavy heart and a feeling of deep shame.

M0nica Mon 28-Feb-22 20:24:54

It is all very well saying you would like to kill Putin, but that ain't going to happen and yes, it is nice to talk about the humanity of the young men in the invading army.

But the choice will be kill them or let them kill your young men, women and children. The front line is not the place for crises of conscience, that is the way to a quick grave.

How many of them are there by choice and how many are conscripts? he Russian army is a mix of volunteers and conscripts. In any army if you sign up you are accepting that your service could take you anywhere and in any fighting you could end up killing people or being killed.

We all have the luxury of being able to discuss this issue, knowing the chances of us having to really make a decision is, thamfully small, which makes it difficult to know exactly what we would do, if actually faced with decisions facing all Ukrainians at present.

grannypiper Mon 28-Feb-22 20:51:57

Grandma70s I said you may and if that was the case i was glad for you. I am sorry to hear you have had to endure such hard time. flowers

sodapop Mon 28-Feb-22 20:57:21

I agree with Coastpath desperate times call for desperate measures. I would help where I could to keep my family safe.

M0nica Mon 28-Feb-22 21:01:33

Grandma70s ^ I don’t know why I would do in any situation, but I suppose I would do what was necessary. If it involved violence, it would be with a very heavy heart and a feeling of deep shame.^

But isn't that how any person feels, even those who volunteer for military service of any kind?

Grannybags Mon 28-Feb-22 21:02:29

It's not something I would look forward to but I would do it if the only choice was kill or be killed. I think survival instincts would kick in, especially if my family was in danger.

Hetty58 Mon 28-Feb-22 21:19:46

Russia has mandatory conscription for men aged 18-27 (unless they can afford to buy themselves out) - so they have no choice and haven't 'signed up' voluntarily. People in Russia have relatives in Ukraine (and vice versa) too.

I'd find it very difficult to kill anyone, yet, of course, if my family were in danger, I could act in self-defence. The survival instinct is very strong and takes over when needed.

Grandma70s Mon 28-Feb-22 21:40:20

M0nica

Grandma70s ^ I don’t know why I would do in any situation, but I suppose I would do what was necessary. If it involved violence, it would be with a very heavy heart and a feeling of deep shame.^

But isn't that how any person feels, even those who volunteer for military service of any kind?

I doubt if anyone who felt deep shame would be volunteering for military service. They might be conscripted, of course - a shocking practice, in my opinion.

crozzybird Tue 01-Mar-22 12:03:25

Not shoot Putin ...that would make him a martyr...best if he were arrested by Russian people and put on trial..

Nannashirlz Tue 01-Mar-22 12:08:12

If it was to protect my family or home I’d say pass me a bottle. If you let a bully walk over you it will never stop you have to stand up to a bully