Baby P's mother to be released

Kate1949

Yes Zoejory. Two different cases. That was my fault for mentioning another case.

Thank you! And not your fault at all. I do have a habit of just reading comments hither and thither.

volver

GrauntyHelen

@volver clearly you have been very selective in your Bible reading Jesus has a lot to say about forgiveness and love

???

No children and an atheist. Haven't read the bible for a good 50 years.

Does he say that we should kill people or cut their internal organs out? That's not how I remember it...

Don't know why I bothered with this thread at all really.

I did warn you volver !

I've just read through from my first comment and I do think there are useful perspectives and some good questions. Does it make a difference if you are a mother? Possibly. Does it make a difference if you've been exposed in any kind of way to child cruelty in real life? Probably. Does it make a difference if one of your core values is retribution/punishment? Almost certainly. I think this is very difficult territory but we are at least having a conversation, so I'm glad you bothered volver.

The bible does actually mention righteous anger, when Jesus threw people out of the temple.
I'm an atheist too, but much of the bible is filled with anger and an "eye for an eye" teachings.

Never be released any one who tortures and kills a child should be locked up for life

Yes Zoejory. Two different cases. That was my fault for mentioning another case.

You are right grandtante, we shouldn't assume. However, she was released on parole in 2013 and recalled in 2015 for breaching the conditions of her parole by 'Developing personal relationships online and inciting another resident in her accommodation to engage in inappropriate sexual behaviour.:

I think you are right GrandtanteJE65.

Are we talking about two different children here?

I'm confused. Baby P's mother was his natural mother. She's due to be released. He died in 2007.

But yesterday there was an article about a baby who had been killed by the couple who were in the process of adopting him

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/28/woman-goes-on-trial-for-of-toddler-she-was-trying-to-adopt

I think it's fair to say we all hope that, too.

It depends what your idea of terrible is. I think mine was pretty terrible but some might say it wasn't in comparison to some. I often hear that abuse and violence breeds abuse and violence and I'm sure in a lot of cases it does.
For me, there was no way a child of mine was going to be put through what I went through.

I have not followed this case, so I don't know if what I am about to suggest is reasonable or not.

I realise that most of you will disagree violently with what I am about to say, but so be it.

Have any of you stopped to consider that this woman may, just may, have come seriously to regret what she did?

That she may realise she should never be a mother and have been sterilised or be prepared to use contraception until she is past child-bearing age?

That she might want never, ever want to have anything to do with a man again?

Most of you are assuming that she will rush off and find a man, get pregnant, have a baby and abuse it, as soon as she is out of prison. Is there any justification for believing any of all this?

I hope and trust she moves to some part of the country where no-one knows her, changes her name and her hair-style and never runs in to any of you lot.

There's terrible and terrible! I'm sorry you had a bad time and I'm glad you managed to bring up your children safely. Not everyone does

Lots of us had terrible upbringings.

I'd have hoped we'd moved on from 'an eye for an eye' thinking. Apparently not.

GrauntyHelen

@volver clearly you have been very selective in your Bible reading Jesus has a lot to say about forgiveness and love

???

No children and an atheist. Haven't read the bible for a good 50 years.

Does he say that we should kill people or cut their internal organs out? That's not how I remember it...

Don't know why I bothered with this thread at all really.

She has served longer than her tariff and has been paroled before she was then recalled to prison She has had several requests for parole refused it has now been granted She has conditions -release to a specialist facility

Tracey Connolly did have a terrible upbringing.
Social services were involved with the family, and that, supposedly, is how she learned the art of hòodwinking them.
She did pass a couple of GCSEs though.
I think she was streetwise as a survival mechanism, rather than on paper. (I think she went to a special needs school)

@volver clearly you have been very selective in your Bible reading Jesus has a lot to say about forgiveness and love

DaisyAnne you have comprehensively missed my point!! That woman is highly likely to have had a dreadful start in life and not one which she would have been intellectually particularly capable of dealing with. Publishing her photograph renders her vulnerable to the sort of people who are looking to harm harm her.
The prisons are full of people with low IQs, poor language comprehension levels and dreadful life experiences. My suspicions are that this woman fits all of these descriptions.

Whole different baby. Whole different mother. Whole different case.

Thank you Iam. Sometimes when I read these cases, the red mist descends before I have read it properly.

That’s correct Kate 1949

Well I'm not sure now! I've just re-read it and it says 'The child was taken into care at birth and was places with this woman and her husband who hoped to adopt him, by Cumbria authorities.'

I read the same information as Kate1949,that the little boy was the subject of care proceedings. He was placed with prospective adopters and visited regularly. The key social worker expressed concern about bonding. She anticipated the adoption wouldn’t take place

The average of two children each week dying at the hands of parents/carers has been steady over at least seventy years )so I’ve read)

I don't think that is true.

She had four biological children, one of them being Peter. She and the father of all the children had split up and now the three other children are being cared for by their biological father .