Another bastion bites the dust?

Kate1949

I feel rather sorry for men these days. My lovely nephew was told by a female colleague during a discussion 'As a white heterosexual male, your opinion is irrelevant.'

Working for the Gas Company, I was told years ago, ‘ you would have got the job but because you are a one parent family we can’t give it to you’ . Another time, when asking for a wage increase suggesting I could change my work hours I was told ‘ those hours are for the men’.
However, both my French and English SiLs have suffered blatant discrimination, when women were put in to keep the status quo concerning gender equality.

StarDreamer

Yearsb ago, 1970s, I was at a social event and a man of about my then age was saying that he had moved to the area because hec worked for a bank and had been posted to the area.

He explained that, for the bank at which he worked, all men joining and women joining had to be willing to go where posted, except that a woman could opt to stay permanently at the branch where she joined but if she did she had to accept that she would never be promoted above being a cashier at the counter.

At that time, males were expected to do banking exams to qualify them for higher pay grades.
Females were not expected to do that.

If a male did not pass any exams he still went onto a pay grade higher than females, but lower than other males, after the first couple of years.

It's ridiculous mokryna.

I agree nanna8 and I do not believe that I have encountered any suggestion of that here on GN.
However two facts remain- women are speaking up (#meToo) , also BLM - Black Lives Matter - as the norms of the past are seen as flawed and I admit we are possibly learning the hard way. All of us women who have the vote have reason to be grateful for the Suffragist movement 100 years ago, and there were plenty of naysayers then. When I visited Bletchley Park with my GS recently, he was incredulous that Alan Turing was prosecuted for being gay.
The evils of racial discrimination in one form or another have similarly continued until the present day. Caring is not enough, being well-meaning is not
enough. We (men and women) have to recognise wrong for what it is and strive to overcome it.

MawtheMerrier wrote Roe v Wade anybody?

Yes.

The issue of abortion raises very strong polarised opinions.

Some declare it as a woman's "right" but not everybody agrees that is a "right".

Some media reporting in the United Kingdom seems to be conveying the opinions of the presenters rather than reporting the news.

Something that needs to be considered is the legal structure of the United States.

I am not a lawyer or legal expert, but as I understand it, the rule is that if something is in the Constitution, as ammended by its Ammendments, or ruled by the Supreme Court, then that is what happens in all fifty States, but if it is not in the Constitution, as ammended by its Ammendments, or ruled by the Supreme Court, then it is a matter of the law of the particular State that is the case. There also some things that are reconised nationally if they happen in a State and it is legal there - for example, unless changed recently, marriage laws are State laws, but a marriage that lawfully happens in a State according to the laws of that State is recognised as a legal marriage in all States. So this system of a Federal Law and State Law is why some States allow casinos.

As I understand it, the Supreme Court overturning of Roe vs Wade does not ban abortion, it removes it from being a Federal ruling on allowing it, and reverts it to being governed by State law in each State.

This State's rights situation is a very different situation to the United Kingdom system, the closest the United Kingdom gets to it is things like Free prescriptions for all in Scotland but not in England, and the like.

On Roe vs Wade itself, it was only recently that I learned that Roe is a pseudonym, to protect identity.

The unborn baby in the Roe vs Wade case was, in fact, born and survived, having been adopted and loved.

LINK > www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwpbZqSdzb4

"When you write we, please remember that Gransnet is not a women only space."

Someone up thread asked what mansplaining is. Please see above.

RichmondPark1

"When you write we, please remember that Gransnet is not a women only space."

Someone up thread asked what mansplaining is. Please see above.

No, that was not mansplaining.

A woman posted about "we" in a manner that implied that "we" as in people participating in Gransnet, are all women.

My statement was therefore justified as such, it was not mansplaining simply because it was written by a man to a woman.

The name Gransnet is misleading as Gransnet is for people over fifty years of age, not just people who are grandmothers.

StarDreamer

I am male and I have been discriminated against, by people who had never met me, but not because I was male, but because I was "not representing an organisation".

If that felt bad, imagine being paid less for your entire life because of the shape of your genitals.
Now that would really smart.

mansplaining - the explanation of something by a man, typically to a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing.

Telling us that Gransnet is not just for women and not just for grandmothers is definitely a man telling us something that we all already know.

Maw Careful! You'll be accused of being "woke".

StarDreamer

RichmondPark1

"When you write we, please remember that Gransnet is not a women only space."

Someone up thread asked what mansplaining is. Please see above.

No, that was not mansplaining.

A woman posted about "we" in a manner that implied that "we" as in people participating in Gransnet, are all women.

My statement was therefore justified as such, it was not mansplaining simply because it was written by a man to a woman.

The name Gransnet is misleading as Gransnet is for people over fifty years of age, not just people who are grandmothers.

This is priceless.

"That's not mansplaining. Let me explain it to you because you don't understand."

Mattsmum2

So what’s it called when a women explains something to a man in a patronising way? Womensplaining?

No a bloody nagging repetitive hag. I was called this by a male colleague whom I then called a Chocolate Tea pot{Learned I might add from DH] he disappeared into the loos I hope to have a good cry.

RichmondPark1

mansplaining - the explanation of something by a man, typically to a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing.

Telling us that Gransnet is not just for women and not just for grandmothers is definitely a man telling us something that we all already know.

I wrote The name Gransnet is misleading as Gransnet is for people over fifty years of age, not just people who are grandmothers.

That is, I expressed an opinion that the name Gransnet is misleading, and, having expressed that opinion, I stated my reasons for my having of that opinion.

Textbook!

volver

StarDreamer

RichmondPark1

"When you write we, please remember that Gransnet is not a women only space."

Someone up thread asked what mansplaining is. Please see above.

No, that was not mansplaining.

A woman posted about "we" in a manner that implied that "we" as in people participating in Gransnet, are all women.

My statement was therefore justified as such, it was not mansplaining simply because it was written by a man to a woman.

The name Gransnet is misleading as Gransnet is for people over fifty years of age, not just people who are grandmothers.

This is priceless.

"That's not mansplaining. Let me explain it to you because you don't understand."

Oh, who stated what you have quoted please?

I too feel a bit sorry for men. I appreciate that historically they have had a pretty good deal but I do feel the scales have shifted.
White, working class males are now the ones least likely to go to university.

We have screamed (rightly) for equality, but are now asking for time off for periods and the menopause. Chunks of maternity leave also hamper womens progress in the workplace. I can understand why some men feel resentful.

Parental leave can be shared in my area. Is this not a nation wide policy.

Oh, who stated what you have quoted please?

Me.

Its a rewording of how your post looks to women.

MawtheMerrier StarDreamer

The UK with Truss in charge have changed the document dealing with women’s rights leading to Norway, Denmark and the Netherlands not signing the current amended version -
«over deletion of abortion rights from gender statement»
The Guardian
which included a commitment to the repeal of any laws that “allow harmful practices, or restrict women’s and girls’ … sexual and reproductive health and rights, bodily autonomy.”

It is as if the UK want to be in step with US politics.

I did write the post News and politics 24 July Truss Sunak abortion

LINK > Making the Chocolate Teapot

Thank you, volver.

MawtheMerrier

StarDreamer

MawtheMerrier wrote The FA even banned the womens’s game for 50 years, apparently because they feared its popularity!

Here is a link to a web story from Sky News.

The title on the page is different from the address of the page.

The title on the page is as follows.

> Euro 2022: Only in 1971 FA lifted half-century ban on women's organised football, now England are champions - what's next?

LINK > news.sky.com/story/euro-2022-the-glamour-and-national-focus-on-the-lionesses-should-not-mask-the-fact-that-challenges-remain-12663298

What I do not understand is on what basis the Football Association purportedly banned women's organised football.

They might have been able to say that the Football Association would not have anything to do with organising women's organised football. But as far as I am aware they had no right to ban it.

What is the history of this? Did they have rules such that no club that was holding Football Association membership could allow women to play on their football pitches, and restricttions of that nature?

I am wondering whether women were allowed to attend men's football matches as spectators.

I think this answers your question
The money raised that day was the equivalent of about £140,000 today. This focused the minds of those watching the Dick, Kerr Ladies and other women’s teams with mistrust and trepidation. It would be this hugely successful match that would trigger the devastation of the women’s game.
The FA and the political establishment were not blind to the growing popularity and success of women’s football. The huge sums of money being raised were outside their jurisdiction and control. Worse still, that money was no longer being raised to support the war wounded but was being channelled into political and working-class causes – causes antithetical to the establishment
I think the Guardian article is quite comprehensive on the (shameful) background to the story.
As I said - it was in danger of becoming too popular and the FA instead of harnessing the growing popularity of the game among women, instead tried to strangle it at birth.
Not the first or indeed last time women’s rights to equality have been cut off by the patriarchy.
Roe v Wade anybody?

Much of what happened in 1921 to women's football can be seen as a the equivalent of what happened in industry at the end of WW1. The women who had kept industry going and who had assumed men's roles were sent packing The Restoration of Pre-War Practices Act 1919 said all soldiers were entitled to have back the job they were doing before the war.

Mansplaining

I sell online and a male bought an item from me and then gave me a long list of instructions as to how it was to be packed.

I told him I had only been sending items around the world for 20 years but thanked him for his "useful" instructions on how to pack for international travel which I would be sure to file in an appropriate place.

He replied "dont mention it" and clearly did not see the sarcasm which dripped from every word.

Have you seen the photos of American softball player Lauren Chamberlin? She posed nude to show other girls that being big is acceptable. She talks about how big her body is and how she has learned love it. Should be shown to any young girl who is struggling to make herself thin. www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5884495/Softball-player-Lauren-Chamberlain-poses-nude-ESPNs-Body-Issue.html

I see that other 'Over 50s' sites are available.
Does anyone know whether there is evidence of 'mansplaining' on these?