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vampirequeen Fri 26-Aug-22 18:03:01

Apologies to all the nice ladies called Karen but today we met a 'Karen'.

We went to a lunchtime concert at Beverley Minster. It was the Berkshire Youth Symphony Orchestra and, if you ever get the chance, I can heartily recommend you go to see them.

DH was using his phone to record some of the music to send to a friend in South Africa who loves classical music. He wasn't the only person recording but Karen seemed to take offence to him alone. Half way through the concert she stormed up behind him and shouted (over the music) that he had ruined the concert for her because she couldn't see when he was recording. Now the layout was such that, unless you were on the first row, you wouldn't be able to see the orchestra anyway but apparently her lack of view was DH's fault. He hadn't done anything to affect her hearing of the music. After she shouted, and without giving him chance to reply, she stormed off and left the Minster. We, and people around us, burst out laughing.

The daft thing was that if she had simply told DH that she found his phone annoying because it was in her eyeline, he would have apologised and recorded from another position. Then she wouldn't have had to storm out and miss the second half of what was an incredibly good concert.

MawtheMerrier Sat 27-Aug-22 22:15:48

Maybe a taste of how incredibly hurtful it is to be ridiculed and disrespected because of one’s name.

VioletSky Sat 27-Aug-22 23:27:59

The horse isn't moving... maybe it's time fo stop flogging it?

Callistemon21 Sat 27-Aug-22 23:37:51

Says whom?

VioletSky Sat 27-Aug-22 23:43:09

Her

?

MawtheMerrier Sun 28-Aug-22 00:06:11

VioletSky

Her

?

Who?

rafichagran Sun 28-Aug-22 00:14:25

VioletSky

Her

?

Yes who?

Chewbacca Sun 28-Aug-22 00:14:54

The thread police Maw!

VioletSky Sun 28-Aug-22 01:24:31

? Not a mob member

FannyCornforth Sun 28-Aug-22 03:47:00

Up until really quite recently, I thought that the expression, ‘flogging a dead horse’ meant that you were trying to sell the deceased equine

NotAGran55 Sun 28-Aug-22 08:19:15

Well GNHQ obviously don’t think that the disgraceful use of the lovely name in this way is wrong do they, or the thread would have been pulled from the outset.

Appalling moderation.

Vintagejazz Sun 28-Aug-22 08:23:38

I'm sure the OP has got the message now. Going on and on at her is just bullying and ganging up.

Joane123 Sun 28-Aug-22 08:37:32

Not really. Everyone has an opinion, and each of those opinions is valid and everyone is entitled to express them.

Vintagejazz Sun 28-Aug-22 08:48:36

Yes but everyone chanting the same criticism over and over is unnecessary and smacks of ganging up. Just because you're 'entitled ' to express your opinion doesn't mean it's always kind to do so.

MawtheMerrier Sun 28-Aug-22 08:57:13

I don’t think it is ganging up at all. Each Karen who has suffered this sort of verbal abuse has a perfect right to point out how hurtful it is - and that those who perpetuate it need to be aware and just stop
Even a sincere apology or retraction would have helped.
So no, as long as it goes on, it is not a “dead horse”. Verbal abuse needs calling out each and every time.

Enid101 Sun 28-Aug-22 09:04:33

Vintagejazz

Yes but everyone chanting the same criticism over and over is unnecessary and smacks of ganging up. Just because you're 'entitled ' to express your opinion doesn't mean it's always kind to do so.

This!

merlotgran Sun 28-Aug-22 09:08:21

NotAGran55

Well GNHQ obviously don’t think that the disgraceful use of the lovely name in this way is wrong do they, or the thread would have been pulled from the outset.

Appalling moderation.

Surely this thread hasn’t been reported? ?

Vintagejazz Sun 28-Aug-22 09:14:35

MawtheMerrier

I don’t think it is ganging up at all. Each Karen who has suffered this sort of verbal abuse has a perfect right to point out how hurtful it is - and that those who perpetuate it need to be aware and just stop
Even a sincere apology or retraction would have helped.
So no, as long as it goes on, it is not a “dead horse”. Verbal abuse needs calling out each and every time.

But it's not just people who are called Karen who are piling on. It's just being nasty for the sake of it now.

FindingNemo15 Sun 28-Aug-22 09:21:27

I don't understand why the name Karen is used in this way.

The name originates from Scandinavia and means "pure" !!!

Callistemon21 Sun 28-Aug-22 09:22:00

Apologies for my grammatical error earlier in the thread. ?

silverlining48 Sun 28-Aug-22 09:23:15

As a Karen I am pleased that non Karen’s have pulled up the OP about using a lazy American import. She was aware it was insulting yet went ahead anyway which took away from what she wanted to say about the concert ?. In answer to which I also find people using phones to record distracting.

Billybob4491 Sun 28-Aug-22 09:25:17

Phones should be safely stowed away in pockets/handbags switched off whilst attending a concert.

merlotgran Sun 28-Aug-22 09:27:43

I must lead a sheltered life because I had to do some googling to understand what abusing the name Karen was all about. ?

MawtheMerrier Sun 28-Aug-22 09:33:36

But it's not just people who are called Karen who are piling on. It's just being nasty for the sake of it now

I can’t answer for other people. My name is Karen and I find it hurtful every time I encounter it.
End of.

FannyCornforth Sun 28-Aug-22 09:41:06

If I was op, I would have asked for the thread to be deleted.
In fact, she may well have done, the report button doesn’t seem to be functioning

To preempt any misunderstanding, no, I haven’t reported it.

Enid101 Sun 28-Aug-22 09:43:55

MawtheMerrier

^But it's not just people who are called Karen who are piling on. It's just being nasty for the sake of it now^

I can’t answer for other people. My name is Karen and I find it hurtful every time I encounter it.
End of.

There has been some interesting research on the ‘Karen’ issue.
One researcher summed it up as someone who moves through the world prepared to fight a faceless conglomerate of lesser-than people who won't give her what she wants and feels she deserves.
Food for thought.