So now we know why the Queen died

At the age of 99 I have so many things wrong with me that when I die it will be of old age.
My grandfathers certificate said ‘senile decay’ but he didn’t want to live after grandmother died.

Her Majesty went into deep decline when her darling Philip passed away

Not true. You make her sound like Queen Victoria. Although very sad I’m sure, the Queen still ‘carried on carrying on’, with or without Philip by her side. She was ageing and getting frailer, at 95 what else really.

‘Stoic’ is the word that sums her up, and the same word applies to her daughter.

People do die of broken hearts don’t they?

I suppose all the nasty business with Harry and Andrew too didn’t help without her Phillip there to cheer her up. ?

Beyond idle curiosity why should any of us need to know the intricacies of what is actually on Our late Queens death certificate. Enough to know she died and hopefully peacefully. RIP

@GoldenaAge - I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding the last few days of her life, how dare they wheel her out for a photo op when she was obviously old and frail. I’m not a royalist but I am a humanist!

My MIL died at 103 and GP put 'old age' but was told that was not acceptable and had to change it. We were amazed. I can't remember what the GP changed it to. This was about five years ago.

“Old age” is a perfectly normal definition and reason for death. We can’t go on forever, and she obviously didn’t have a covid infection.

HMTQ had been under the care of the same physician for years, this means that her health status was known.

I don’t find it patronising at all and like a pp I find it comforting.

Old age is what I think everyone would like to see on their death cert iykwim.

I would have loved it if my sister had had it on hers.
My dad had it on his.

I have heard that she had bone cancer. My Mum did too, she died the day after they gave her the diagnosis - she was up and doing her hair that morning but the pain became too much for her so she lay down and died that evening. Luckily I was with her and she died peacefully. I hope the queen did too. May she RIP.

The Queen was old, she was very well cared for and had been throughout her life, and it was absolutely clear in all her recent years' appearances that she was losing height, beginning to bend, eventually need a walking stick, and finally bruise very badly like most people over the age of 90. Her body wore out as bodies do. As for people being interested, whilst I have no interest in her cause of death or the precise timings, the millions who mourn her do and I suppose are due this explanation - it's surely a comforting one. What I find so distasteful, however, is that her last days were taken up with having to meet both BJ and Liz Truss, neither of whom are worth even a second of anybody's precious time and life.

Old age …..and a broken heart. Her Majesty when into deep decline when her darling Philip passed away.

My 4yo granddaughter informed her 12yo American cousin that the queen had ‘died of death’. She’s not wrong!

My medic dd has worked a lot with geriatrics and she says elderly people are very prone to dying unexpectedly. She’s had patients ready for discharge, then half an hour later, they’ve simply gone, quietly, with no fuss.

Older people are also good at not dying. She attended a crash call to an elderly lady, where they managed to revive her. Dd went off to attend to other patients, not really expecting to see the first lady again. Going through the unit at the end of her shift, dd was astounded to see the ‘crash’ patient sitting up in bed with a cup of tea and doing a book of Sudoku!

Do we really know, and frankly, why would we want to? No post mortem, as with many of those who pass on at an advanced age. Having spent her life in the spotlight, and with her funeral a massive, media event, perhaps she deserves just a little privacy at the very end as regards her cause of death, and a suitably vague annotation delivers that. R.I.P. Your Majesty.

I think 'a nasty shock' for relatives who leave parents living alone in their nineties is well deserved wages of their neglect. And the smell of their decomposition will hopefully be stronger in their nostrils forevermore for every single day they left them living so vulnerably alone. People die of neglect. No one old and vulnerable who has family should live entirely alone. Cue the self-righteous selfish abandoners...

What an absolutely horrible thing to say GrammyGrammy. The family might have been on holiday with carers provided by an agency who couldn't get in. The family could have pleaded with their family to accept help from them but found their relative intransigent, which happens often. There are a 101 reasons where things might have gone wrong without any negligence from a family.

Not our business really, but even so we were given a look at the death certificate.

has been in the same doctor’s care,
My MiL could say that she had, but with all the different doctors I’ve seen in our practice, looks like I’m doomed to have a PM even if I die over 80.

GrammyGrammy

Witzend

I know of two women in their 90s who hadn’t been at all ill, who just died in their sleep, so I dare say those were cases of ‘old age’.
A brilliant way to go, IMO, albeit a nasty shock for the relatives who wondered why they weren’t answering the phone/door, and found them.

Pittcity, my mother died at 97, with advanced dementia. IIRC the death certificate said Alz./old age.

I think 'a nasty shock' for relatives who leave parents living alone in their nineties is well deserved wages of their neglect. And the smell of their decomposition will hopefully be stronger in their nostrils forevermore for every single day they left them living so vulnerably alone. People die of neglect. No one old and vulnerable who has family should live entirely alone. Cue the self-righteous selfish abandoners...

Tell that to my 97 year old MIL who is determined to die in her own bed and 'not be a burden' to anyone.

One of her children visits every day (which works because we all live near enough to do so), but she won't entertain the idea of moving out of the house where she has lived since she got married. If she dies in her sleep, which is the way many of us would wish to go, it would not be the wages of anyone's neglect, but her own choice, which is hers to make - just because people are old does not mean that others get to make those decisions for them.

My mother died age 93 and her death certificate stated Old Age which I accepted as it seemed reasonable.

Elvis died of a ruptured aortic aneurysm. A condition that should be more understood and scans made more available. eg men (only) can have scans for them at 65. Whether or not he was on the loo eating a beefburger is irrelevant and disrespectful, that didn't cause his death. Just nasty media gossiping.

GrammyGrammy

Witzend

I know of two women in their 90s who hadn’t been at all ill, who just died in their sleep, so I dare say those were cases of ‘old age’.
A brilliant way to go, IMO, albeit a nasty shock for the relatives who wondered why they weren’t answering the phone/door, and found them.

Pittcity, my mother died at 97, with advanced dementia. IIRC the death certificate said Alz./old age.

I think 'a nasty shock' for relatives who leave parents living alone in their nineties is well deserved wages of their neglect. And the smell of their decomposition will hopefully be stronger in their nostrils forevermore for every single day they left them living so vulnerably alone. People die of neglect. No one old and vulnerable who has family should live entirely alone. Cue the self-righteous selfish abandoners...

That'll be me you so callously call "self-righteous abandoners".

Me who lives 120 miles from where my dad lives. Me, who has no brothers or sisters. Me, who decided to give up my own life to rent a flat near my DF. Me, who couldn't handle his issues on my own. Me, who couldn't get any support at all from Social Services until the Police got involved and issued a Vulnerable Person notice.

Your comments are unfair and come from a position of no knowledge whatsoever of how people live.

red1

it is the royal family, do you really think they will ever tell their subjects the truth?

Oh come on! She was 96 and widowed. Why on earth should she NOT die of old age?
You can unpick and describe the whole wretched process, the loss of speech, the organ failure, the heart failure, the loss of consciousness, the laboured breathing, the throat filling with foam etc... if you really want to, but would it help? Surely ultimately all bodies stop working one day.
The best thing about her death certificate, on the other hand, is in the box for "occupation": "Her Majesty the Queen". (though I'm a tiny bit disappointed the family didn't go for the single word "Monarch". )

I am wondering if the Queen had a heart problem which caused swollen feet and ankle which could affect mobility? I know someone whose mum is 93 who has been sent to hospital by her care home with swollen legs and is reaching end of life with various failings. With the best doctors the Queen would have had top treatment.

Apparently old age on its own can’t be given as sole cause of death unless the person is over 80 and has been in the same doctor’s care, which would apply to the Queen. Not much point in a pm at that age.

I think there was an underlying cause because the series of "mobility" problems just made me suspicious. However, as it is none of my business, it doesn't really bother me what was put on the death certificate.

Witzend

I know of two women in their 90s who hadn’t been at all ill, who just died in their sleep, so I dare say those were cases of ‘old age’.
A brilliant way to go, IMO, albeit a nasty shock for the relatives who wondered why they weren’t answering the phone/door, and found them.

Pittcity, my mother died at 97, with advanced dementia. IIRC the death certificate said Alz./old age.

I think 'a nasty shock' for relatives who leave parents living alone in their nineties is well deserved wages of their neglect. And the smell of their decomposition will hopefully be stronger in their nostrils forevermore for every single day they left them living so vulnerably alone. People die of neglect. No one old and vulnerable who has family should live entirely alone. Cue the self-righteous selfish abandoners...

I'm afraid I do think it is our business. The Royal Family are public people - that is why they have incredibly privileged and affluent lives, a great proportion of which is paid for by the taxpayer. And people are interested in death as they are in birth - for instance a baby's weight is usually reported, even though it's largely irrelevant. I think we've probably been told lies about this, as so many other things, and I wonder if she actually died in the morning. But I don't really care - may she rest in peace.

My granny who died in 1963 aged 96 died of 'senile decay' according to her death certificate.

Lady Colin Campbell claims the Queen died from bone cancer.. she put that out on her social media channels around 90 minutes before the official announcement that the Queen had died.