Where are you from? Is it an insult?

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Anyone that believes this woman remembered this full conversation without a) the use of a wire or b) inventing some, at least embroidering what was said needs to give their head a wobble.

FGS!

25Avalon

Consider this. If an English person turns up wearing a kilt and a sporran with a badge saying their name is Hamish McTavish wouldn’t you think they were Scottish and ask them which part of the Highlands they were from?

Yes, but A.. I wouldn't ask.
B.. if the subject came up and they told me, I wouldn't press the point.

Why would I?

Why does it matter to me?

What neo nazi organisation would that be?

I should also add I have reported your post.

Sickening , truly sickening.

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I didn’t even know there was such an organisation. No different from me suggesting you support KKK but I would never stoop so low. The pits.

tickingbird

I didn’t even know there was such an organisation. No different from me suggesting you support KKK but I would never stoop so low. The pits.

If we had discussed the KKK, like we discussed 'All Lives Matter' you might have a point. But we didn't.

We didn’t discuss all lives matter. If it’s an actual organisation I’m not aware of it. It’s all there so you can’t twist it as you normally do. Don’t address anything else to me in future please.

25Avalon, I would only be offended if the person wouldn't believe I came from somewhere else other than where the kilt was from and kept on asking questions to that effect. It's a bit like where on 2 occasions somebody has asked me when the baby was due. The first person accepted that I wasn't pregnant but it was left over from my last pregnancy. The second kept saying, "No, be serious, do you know what sex it is?" With the first person, I was embarrassed I looked pregnant but wasn't otherwise bothered. With the second, I felt humiliated. It's the insistence, not the original question.

25Avalon

Consider this. If an English person turns up wearing a kilt and a sporran with a badge saying their name is Hamish McTavish wouldn’t you think they were Scottish and ask them which part of the Highlands they were from?

If you ask someone around here wearing a kilt "what part of the Highlands they were from", you'd get a bit of an uncomprehending smile. Maybe the answer "Brigadoon".

Men wear the kilt as often as they can, where I come from. Weddings, Burns Suppers, Receptions at the Palace. (Holyrood Palace, of course.) And the rugby. I love to see the kilts at the rugby. We have the concept of "New Scots" here of course, so anyone who feels the urge can wear the kilt. My Spanish friend got married in one.

And if he was wearing a name badge saying Hamish McTavish, I'd think he was taking the p***.

My husband wears his kilt. What part of the "highlands" is he from?

Kent.

tickingbird

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Anyone that believes this woman remembered this full conversation without a) the use of a wire or b) inventing some, at least embroidering what was said needs to give their head a wobble.

FGS!

It's not working...

Is it an insult?

Some people "no!"

Other people "yes!"

Some people "I know! Let's go with no because that's the one I like"

Even though asking that obviously upsets quite a lot of people and not asking that costs nothing and upsets no one

My brother wears his kilt to formal occasions. He comes from Hertfordshire, but the surname entitles him to wear a particular tartan. (I had a kilt as a child, but of course they aren’t really girls’ clothes.) We would both be able to describe our Highland heritage.

I get asked where I’m from, because I live in N England but don’t have a northern accent. Not everybody does.

Most Scots have got past the conceit that you are "entitled" to wear a particular tartan. Wear what you like. It's a free for all.

Grandma70s

My brother wears his kilt to formal occasions. He comes from Hertfordshire, but the surname entitles him to wear a particular tartan. (I had a kilt as a child, but of course they aren’t really girls’ clothes.) We would both be able to describe our Highland heritage.

I get asked where I’m from, because I live in N England but don’t have a northern accent. Not everybody does.

I've been to a wedding in England where kilts were worn.
And, of course, Burns Night suppers in Wales.

Not forgetting when I was staying at a hotel in N Queensland and watched a wedding from my balcony where groom, best man, father of the groom and several guests were wearing their kilts 🙂

My cousin wore a kilt to his wedding he has no Scottish connection, he was working in Scotland at the time and the best man was Scottish.
It was fun at the time, nobody dare ask him what a Scot wore under his kilt.

Good.

If you ask someone in a kilt what they are wearing underneath it, "derision" would just be the start of it. Bit of pity, maybe?

'Cos we've never heard that "joke" before.

volver

Last night I went out with my partner and two other couples to a new, highly reviewed restaurant. Had a great time, a few wines and a couple of Sambucca.

Slightly sore head this morning but scrolled through here and saw your post from 20:00 last night. I’m still smiling. Hope you enjoyed your night as much as I enjoyed mine

I don't know why there is doubt in the conversation as other people witnessed it and Lady Hussy has apologised and resigned.

Twice I have met people who are very good with accents and at pin pointing where people are from.
The first, my friend from Cramlington in Northumberland, and I were on holiday in Eyemouth in our late teens.
The man got her spot on, but couldn't place me!
The second, I was in Ashington, Northumberland with my SO & some of his family. The man knew most of them, although SOs daughter has lived away part of her life and the man placed her as being locally born but with an accent from around Ipswich. Dead on!
I said a sentence to him, "Where do you think I'm from?" He wanted me to speak more, I did.
He said, "You have a slight northern accent, but also something else, and I just can't place you!"
Lmao. I'm from Prudhoe-on-Tyne in Northumberland, went to school in Bellingham in Northumberland, moved away when I was 21 and have been in various places down south since then, but finally settled in Isle of Thanet in Kent.
Everyone down here recognises my Geordie accent. But those men couldn't!
I'm in my 50s now, and SO call me a 'posh Geordie'!

volver

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Haha, I love it!

Ali08
volver
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Haha, I love it!

Somehow I don’t think you’re laughing for the same reason as me!!

This reminds me of a work colleague who "just" wanted to take a photo of me.
Sounds really childish, but I genuinely do not enjoy having my photo taken, he spoiled the start of the evening out in his determination to get a photo, and it was hugely insensitive of him, as I had issues outside of work going on.

Nevertheless, he kept on, and was triumphant to get one - aha! Too slow, I blocked his view with a paper plate!

Esspee

I have been subjected to racism and am aware of the subtleties where you can be left in doubt as to the intentions of the perpetrator.
I would have assumed in this case that the questions were a clumsy attempt to find some sort of common ground along the lines of “I thought that was a Nigerian costume, we visited there in 2015 and so enjoyed touring your amazing country.”

Incidentally wasn’t the offended lady last in the limelight for saying that Meghan had been subjected to domestic abuse within the royal family?
She does seem to pick battles that raise her own profile doesn’t she. If I felt I had been subject to racist abuse I would have reported it to the organisers of the event. Not gone directly to the media.

That was my thought, also, that the offended woman wants the media attention.

Lady Hussy was tactless bordering on rude that's for sure, and clumsy in her questions, but she certainly wasn't deliberately racist or abusive, on the other hand the lady in question must have realised that she was not querying her being born in this country, but when her family originated from. This is fairly obvious, So why not say

This is my view of the situation. Far too much fuss has been made of it. There were faults on both sides. Some people are "in the business" of being offended and looking for endemic racism.

MissAdventure

This reminds me of a work colleague who "just" wanted to take a photo of me.
Sounds really childish, but I genuinely do not enjoy having my photo taken, he spoiled the start of the evening out in his determination to get a photo, and it was hugely insensitive of him, as I had issues outside of work going on.

Nevertheless, he kept on, and was triumphant to get one - aha! Too slow, I blocked his view with a paper plate!

I think we can all think of things that happened in the past that are just not acceptable now. The fact that SH is said to have moved the complainant's hair away from her badge, is one such.

That is not racist, it's just wrong. It would be wrong if you were black, white or sky-blue pink.