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Where are you from? Is it an insult?

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Sago Fri 02-Dec-22 08:07:40

I often ask people “where are you from” it’s always interesting to know, particularly as there are so many accents I cannot always pick up.
A cab driver recently told us about his old life in Afghanistan and how he was loving his time in the UK, he told us he had really enjoyed his chat.
Our SIL is mixed race and often gets asked, he is always happy to talk about his heritage.

It’s so easy to offend.

MerylStreep Fri 02-Dec-22 12:39:12

Not all black people are indignant.

mobile.twitter.com/ArchRose90/status/1598404720590086144

Jaberwok Fri 02-Dec-22 12:39:57

Lady Hussy was tactless bordering on rude that's for sure, and clumsy in her questions, but she certainly wasn't deliberately racist or abusive, on the other hand the lady in question must have realised that she was not querying her being born in this country, but when her family originated from. This is fairly obvious, So why not say? My paternal family come from Eire which I'm perfectly happy to divulge should anyone be interested enough to ask, so why should this have been a problem ? As for touching this lady's hair? Well again, as I understand it, Lady H was attempting to read her name badge,and although perhaps she shouldn't have done this, surely it is encumbant of someone wearing such a badge to make sure that it is clearly visible to other people and not hidden under long hair? Again no racist or abusive behaviour was intended. If the lady in question was offended or made to feel uncomfortable, then why on earth not have a quiet word with the orgniser of the event instead of running straight to Twitter and causing an uproar?

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 12:44:43

Whether you think it or not, Lady Susan's behaviour was racist.

She asked questions of a person of colour that she would not have asked of a white person. She clearly did not believe the first answers she was given, and either thought Fulani was being evasive or was just a bit mistaken about what "British" means.

Lots of things are racist, for instance sentences that start "Black people are quick to take offence.."

You might not think they are racist, but that's because you don't understand. You can learn from this or you can keep insisting that there was no racism involved and you love it when people ask which part of England you're from, you don't get offended at all so obviously Ms Fulani is just out to get the RF (or something).

Maybe she is an activist, and maybe she doesn't approve of the behaviour of some members of the RF. Good. Maybe she's not one of these people who will brush racism under the carpet because she defers to old aristocrats who don't know any better.

BlueBelle Fri 02-Dec-22 12:46:15

But JJ does the person asking you go over and over it to get the answer they think on observing you…
of course asking someone where they come from isn’t racism

For all those saying it’s nothing you obviously have never had any of the attention that being black in a white country gets Yes you do get very personal questions that others wouldn’t get, you do get your hair touched/felt, commented on
You do get asked where you got your suntan from, you do get asked if you’re a white person with black kids… ‘when did you adopt them’ have you ever had your kids hair touched and commented on ‘oh it’s softer than I expected’ or ‘isn’t it curly’ ‘however do you manage to comb that’ They might be questions of interest but would you say those things to a white stranger or a mum and child ?? Would you stand in a bus queue and enquire if a white child with a white mum was adopted ?
It can happen many times and it starts to really prickle
I don’t think either parties behaved well I don’t think the elderly lady should have been sacked but she should have been made aware of her mistakes whether she would have learned is anyones guess

25Avalon Fri 02-Dec-22 12:47:27

Listen to the clip on UTube of Nigel Farage talking about this on GB News. Read the comments especially those from bkack people. Watch the black man clapping Nigel at the end of the clip. I too now believe this was a set up.

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 12:47:42

she was not querying her being born in this country

No? She asked her when she came here.

And apparently letting your hair fall over your shoulders in an obstructive and insolent manner, is behaviour deserving of all it gets.

I would write "stop excusing racist behaviour", but what's the point?

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 12:49:28

25Avalon

Listen to the clip on UTube of Nigel Farage talking about this on GB News. Read the comments especially those from bkack people. Watch the black man clapping Nigel at the end of the clip. I too now believe this was a set up.

Here's the thing about black people. They don't all think alike.

More racism in your attitudes for you there to think about there. 🙂

25Avalon Fri 02-Dec-22 12:50:44

Volver isn’t it racist to set up a help group for victims of domestic violence that is only for blacks?

MerylStreep Fri 02-Dec-22 12:56:15

I’m amazed that people are still insisting that the conversation was racist despite the fact that thousands of black people are supporting Susan Hussey, like this one.

twitter.com/nmeso4dworld/status/159797563600155852

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 12:57:38

25Avalon

Volver isn’t it racist to set up a help group for victims of domestic violence that is only for blacks?

No.

Next question.

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 12:59:04

MerylStreep

I’m amazed that people are still insisting that the conversation was racist despite the fact that thousands of black people are supporting Susan Hussey, like this one.

twitter.com/nmeso4dworld/status/159797563600155852

As I said above. Black people have all sorts of views. Not everyone of black heritage has to agree its racist for it to actually be racist.

Link to tweet doesn;t work, BTW.

Forsythia Fri 02-Dec-22 13:00:35

volver

25Avalon

Volver isn’t it racist to set up a help group for victims of domestic violence that is only for blacks?

No.

Next question.

Yes it is. Let’s set up a similar organisation for whites only. Let’s see what happens.

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 13:04:40

She has set up an organisation to meet the needs of a group of women whose needs were not being met be other organisations. A segment of society who have specific issues engendered by their religion and geographical location.

Women. Does that make it sexist?

Clutching at racist straws, now, aren't we?

Esspee Fri 02-Dec-22 13:10:14

So if you are experiencing domestic violence and are shade X on the British standard colour chart But are not of African or West Indian heritage her lot won't help you?
Is that right?

Forsythia Fri 02-Dec-22 13:13:42

volver

She has set up an organisation to meet the needs of a group of women whose needs were not being met be other organisations. A segment of society who have specific issues engendered by their religion and geographical location.

Women. Does that make it sexist?

Clutching at racist straws, now, aren't we?

Not at all. Just pointing out your double standards, as usual.

Galaxy Fri 02-Dec-22 13:15:17

There are endless organisations set up for specific reasons, if I go to a gay mens organisation which does work on sexual health for example, they wont help me, I imagine they would kindly point me to an organisation that would.
I think for example it's very important to have mental health support groups specifically for men.

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 13:16:15

Esspee

So if you are experiencing domestic violence and are shade X on the British standard colour chart But are not of African or West Indian heritage her lot won't help you?
Is that right?

Why don't you look up the mission of Sistah Space and find out what they do, instead of making glib and uninformed comments.

www.sistahspace.org/

Riverwalk Fri 02-Dec-22 13:17:35

I would be flabbergasted if they turned a white woman away if she landed on their doorstep.

Prior to this controversy, I heard a black woman, can't remember who, talking about what was likely this charity.

There are particular problems that black women have when faced with domestic violence... they also have to bear in mind the way black men are often treated by the police, making them reluctant to report a black partner. People in distress often need to turn to those who they think will understand their special needs.

Rather like an Afro Caribbean seniors lunch club - doesn't mean a white pensioner wouldn't be welcome but indicates that a particular diet and preferences would be catered for.

BlueBelle Fri 02-Dec-22 13:18:05

Oh don’t be so daft espee there are womens refugees in every town in Uk that’s just trying to push more buttons
Anyway people are not going to move there opinion or listene to anyone seeing it from a different point of view
so I ll save my breathe no one bothered to read my last posts which was giving a few ‘for instances’ of where it can get pretty upsetting and tedious if it happens regularly I ll go and play Wordle

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 13:19:58

They don't run refuges.

Just saying.

Oreo Fri 02-Dec-22 13:27:12

Sure BlueBelle nobody will change their mind on this matter because other posters try and browbeat them with their own opinions presented as fact. Those who insist that Lady Hussey committed a racist act for instance instead of saying it’s their own view.
That’s all it is folks, their own view.

Esspee Fri 02-Dec-22 13:27:21

volver

Esspee

So if you are experiencing domestic violence and are shade X on the British standard colour chart But are not of African or West Indian heritage her lot won't help you?
Is that right?

Why don't you look up the mission of Sistah Space and find out what they do, instead of making glib and uninformed comments.

www.sistahspace.org/

I read it that you have to be black. So if I rock up do they have a colour chart to decide whether I qualify?

volver Fri 02-Dec-22 13:29:32

In my view, Lady Susan committed a racist act. Because she treated a woman of colour differently to how she would have treated a white woman.

You may disagree with my view. (But you'd be wrong 🤷🏼)

Esspee Fri 02-Dec-22 13:29:45

I haven’t seen any comments about her previous declaration that Megan has been subjected to domestic violence by the Royal Family.
Attention seeking?

kircubbin2000 Fri 02-Dec-22 13:33:57

Shola and some other black women were interviewed today and they absolutely seem to hate the monarchy and white people.They want it abolished.They were so bigoted and angry I had to turn it off.