Jeremy Clarkson

EMMF1948

So it would be OK to say it about a man, only women deserve to be protected?

Who said it would ?

Lady HD. Good post,

Sticking head above parapet….Tickingbird you say Volver spends so much time on SM but I can’t help noticing you are right behind her?

(I am Not a clique
Nor a wingman )

Maybe we should all sing some carols or something

It's just so dull and depressing here lately

LadyHD, Nicola Sturgeon has quite a lot of influence on people's lives.

Good Evening Lucca, I’ve been expecting you

Baggs

*LadyHD*, Nicola Sturgeon has quite a lot of influence on people's lives.

In Scotland she does. Not so much in England, especially southern England.

Nicola .... knowing that she remains very popular in Scotland even if there are only 5.7. isn't any longer able to speak her mind

What does this mean, please?

Particularly the last part "even if there are only 5.7. isn't any longer able to speak her mind".

Baggs

Whitewavemark2

Baggs

Please point out the racial undertones, wwmk2. In my naivety I didn't spot them.

This is the link I used: www.thesun.co.uk/news/20782114/harry-meghan-netflix-series-truth/

Are you not aware that the KKK carried out these sort of activities in the Southern States?

Which sort of activities? – Writing bilge in The Sun?

Wow - this is offensive beyond words!

WWm2 explained it above- the KKK would march black women naked in the streets and throw excrement at them - so a VERY direct and unmissable direct link to the KKK, that Clarkson was very aware of, I am sure: He is such a massive **, but he is very well read.

Glad his daughter stands up to him and agrees what he said was applaing in so many ways

Emily Clarkson, 28, said she has "always been clear when it comes to misogyny, bullying and the treatment of women by the media".

In an Instagram story, the author also wrote that she "stands against everything" in her father's column and appeared to describe it as a form of "online hatred".

Ms Clarkson wrote: "I stand against everything that my dad wrote about Meghan Markle and I remain standing in support of those that are targeted with online hatred."

Fleurpepper

Baggs

Whitewavemark2

Baggs

Please point out the racial undertones, wwmk2. In my naivety I didn't spot them.

This is the link I used: www.thesun.co.uk/news/20782114/harry-meghan-netflix-series-truth/

Are you not aware that the KKK carried out these sort of activities in the Southern States?

Which sort of activities? – Writing bilge in The Sun?

Wow - this is offensive beyond words!

WWm2 explained it above- the KKK would march black women naked in the streets and throw excrement at them - so a VERY direct and unmissable direct link to the KKK, that Clarkson was very aware of, I am sure: He is such a massive **, but he is very well read.

WWmk2 did not explain, just made a passing reference. One didn't need to know details to know how awful KKK were. I did not know that particular detail.

And yes, what Clarkson wrote is gross. Or bilge, as I said.

Whitewavemark2

Running a naked woman of colour and throwing s…t at her is exactly what was carried out by the KKK in the southern states of America during the time of lynching etc.

It is excitement to violence and racist.

That was very clear, surely.

Fleurpepper

Glad his daughter stands up to him and agrees what he said was applaing in so many ways

Emily Clarkson, 28, said she has "always been clear when it comes to misogyny, bullying and the treatment of women by the media".

In an Instagram story, the author also wrote that she "stands against everything" in her father's column and appeared to describe it as a form of "online hatred".

Ms Clarkson wrote: "I stand against everything that my dad wrote about Meghan Markle and I remain standing in support of those that are targeted with online hatred."

Yes, good for Emily Clarkson. I wonder how her father would have reacted if someone had written a similar column about her?

He has form for using that sort of language:
www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/28/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-racial-term-ofcom-bbc

It was another rather obscure insult - something that not everyone would pick up on, something that he could deny was meant offensively, and would have a certain type muttering about how you can't say anything nowadays.

And again (trigger warning for offensive language in the video)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-27250713

I don't believe for a second that any of it was accidental.

So he does.
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11036127/Jeremy-Clarkson-wraps-arm-girlfriend-Lisa-Hogan-St-Tropez-hotspot-Club-55.html

yuk

and extremely offensive.

Fleurpepper

Whitewavemark2

Running a naked woman of colour and throwing s…t at her is exactly what was carried out by the KKK in the southern states of America during the time of lynching etc.

It is excitement to violence and racist.

That was very clear, surely.

Not to someone who'd never heard of this particular behaviour, Fleurp. One can know how racist and disgusting KKK were without knowing all the disgusting details. I did not know about "exactly what was carried out" in southern states, only that it was awful.

So, now, for the third time: it was a reference to something the details of which I didn't know about. I rather wish I still didn't. One doesn't need to know every detail of gross behaviour to know that KKK was (is) a disgraceful and shameful stain on the USA.

Now, if people wish to pour further scorn and disbelief on me then carry on but you're wasting your breath. Not knowing that particular detail in history is not shameful. People need to stop assuming things about others.

You're not expected to know every single thing about hate groups in other countries.

But if someone tells us all something about those groups, and you maintain that you didn't know about it, that's just not believable. Sorry.

I agree, Baggs. Many racist (and other discriminatory) comments are 'dog whistles' - ie things that only some people will recognise for what they are, in the way that only dogs can hear some pitches of whistle.

I hadn't heard of 'slope' as a racist insult until JC brought it to my attention. I am fairly clued up on these things, as I've been to a million diversity awareness courses and used to run Equal Ops seminars back in the day, but I don't move in circles where words like that are used, and it was lost on me.

That's why they do it. It's passively aggressive, as it can be denied if called out, and as the insults are not mainstream a lot of people won't be familiar with them either, and it can look as though he is being pulled up for doing something innocent. That in turn plays on people's fear of accidentally saying the wrong thing in a world where offence is getting easier to give, and the comments are written off as an accident too. It's insidious.

His columns will be read and subedited to pick up on just that sort of thing, and there is zero chance that this slipped through unnoticed. In any case, whether the KKK thing was recognised or not, the comment is way beyond acceptable in its own right. He is vile and IMO should be sacked for this.

Please point out where I was 'told'.

Clarkson's article in the Sun (which I read, and attached a link) said this: “At night, I’m unable to sleep as I lie there, grinding my teeth and dreaming of the day when she is made to parade naked through the streets of every town in Britain while the crowds chant, “Shame!” and throw lumps of excrement at her.”

I did not know this was a reference to KKK behaviour in the southern US.

I have no control over your beliefs, V, just as you have no control over what I knew at the pertinent point in time during this discussion. Believe what you like but sometimes your belief will be wrong.

I think you should also consider the nastiness of suggesting by your lack of belief in my honesty that I'm a liar. I'm not the one who comes out of this badly in that respect.

My last post was in answer to volver's

Thanks, doodledog. Good explanation. Perhaps diehards will get it now though I won't hold my breath.

Please point out where I was 'told'.

You were 'told' on this thread, Baggs. In fact, someone even responded to you and quoted the post that detailed the KKK practice.

Do you not read previous posts before you post?

I normally keep out of any disputes on here as it's not what I joined for. However, it's unacceptable to imply that someone is lying because they don't know something that you think they should know. I know about the KKK but didn't know those details either and I'm not lying. Too many bossy know it alls on here lately.

What MaizieD says.