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Aveline Wed 05-Apr-23 19:51:50

Hmmmm. I gather she's to be called Queen Camilla despite the late Queen stating that she should be Queen Consort. Albert was only the Prince Consort. Poor old Prince Philip wasnt even that. What's so special about Camilla? I was warming to her but I'm not so sure now. They're taking a risk with the public support.

MiniMoon Wed 05-Apr-23 20:04:08

The King is following Royal convention. When Queen Elizabeth II’s father, George VI, became king, his wife’s title became “queen consort,” although she was usually referred to as “Queen Elizabeth” (having been born Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes-Lyon, not to be confused with Queen Elizabeth I of England, daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn). Queen Elizabeth held her title until George died, at which point Elizabeth II ascended the throne, and her mum became “queen mother.”
I really think that Queen consort Camilla is a bit long winded.
I'm all in favour of having a King and Queen.

Aveline Wed 05-Apr-23 20:07:44

I agree it's long winded but it's what the Queen (the real Queen) wanted.

Aveline Wed 05-Apr-23 20:09:00

If the Queen Mother had outlived her daughter would she have become the King Granny?grin

Grandma70s Wed 05-Apr-23 20:09:09

Queen Consort is enough. I think many people (including me) will find it hard to accept so soon that anyone except Elizabeth II is The Queen. Maybe eventually…

I’m fairly happy to accept Charles as King, but Camilla as Queen? Not for me.

Ailidh Wed 05-Apr-23 20:18:14

She will be queen by virtue of being the consort of the King, as was Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother when her husband was alive, neither of them monarchs but the wives of monarchs.
Works for me.

Grandma70s Wed 05-Apr-23 20:23:08

The other queens-by-marriage, Alexandra, Mary, and the Queen Mother, were all aristocrats in their own right, Camilla isn’t. Just a point. Of course, Princess Catherine isn’t either, but she seems more queen-like than Camilla to me.

LadyHonoriaDedlock Wed 05-Apr-23 20:51:47

It's how its done.

Just be glad that the king has an intelligent, hard-working and personable woman who isn't perpetually trying to steal the show at his side to support him, and we aren't being faced with the ghastly prospect of Queen Diana!

LadyHonoriaDedlock Wed 05-Apr-23 20:53:29

Grandma70s

The other queens-by-marriage, Alexandra, Mary, and the Queen Mother, were all aristocrats in their own right, Camilla isn’t. Just a point. Of course, Princess Catherine isn’t either, but she seems more queen-like than Camilla to me.

That does come across to me as very snobbish, Grandma70s. I'm sure you didn't intend it that way.

SueDonim Wed 05-Apr-23 21:12:04

I read that the Queen had wanted Camilla to be known as Queen Consort in preference to Princess Consort, which had been mooted.

True to tell, it doesn’t bother me what she’s called, though I have to say I miss QE2 much more than I expected! I put some stamps on letters today and thought had odd it will be to have a different head on our stamps in future.

Calendargirl Wed 05-Apr-23 21:21:07

She’s not ‘Princess Catherine’ either, to be pedantic, any more than Diana was ‘Princess Diana’, aristocratic or not.

They are both Princess of Wales, that is their title, not with their own Christian names tagged on.

merlotgran Wed 05-Apr-23 21:23:01

Queen consort was just a stepping stone title. The late queen had a very canny way of dealing with tricky issues and would have known that the consort part would eventually be dropped.

It’s Charles who makes the rules now. Camilla had earned her official place at his side.

Granmarderby10 Wed 05-Apr-23 21:24:36

LadyHonoriaDedlock what was ghastly about the prospect of Diana being a Queen?
Bearing in mind that if she had lived she would be about 62 now.

Calendargirl Wed 05-Apr-23 21:27:31

I always said Charles would not stand for his beloved wife to be sidelined.

‘Queen Camilla’ doesn’t trip off the tongue as easily as ‘Queen Elizabeth’, but times change.

We’ll get used to it.

Aveline Wed 05-Apr-23 21:34:16

She'll never be 'the Queen' to me the way the late Queen was.

sodapop Wed 05-Apr-23 21:37:20

I agree merlotgran Queen Elizabeth knew exactly how things would pan out and gave Camilla her blessing.
I think the two of them will support each other very well as did Prince Philip and Queen Elizabeth

merlotgran Wed 05-Apr-23 21:43:27

She'll never be 'the Queen' to me the way the late Queen was

Of course she won’t. The late Queen was the monarch for seventy years. Camilla will always be the support act.

GagaJo Wed 05-Apr-23 21:48:11

Charles is determined and it will damage him.

I'm glad he's pushing it. The sooner they're gone the better and he's just hastening it with his blind insistence.

Nicegranny Wed 05-Apr-23 22:03:42

I cannot forgive her or forget that Camilla was Princess Diana’s tormentor.
She’s no queen, she’s just the mistress that got very lucky.

Casdon Wed 05-Apr-23 22:08:52

GagaJo

Charles is determined and it will damage him.

I'm glad he's pushing it. The sooner they're gone the better and he's just hastening it with his blind insistence.

That’s not what the polls are saying, her popularity is rising, and more people think she should be Queen than don’t. I’m ambivalent, but I don’t think it will damage Charles, he seems to be gaining ground at the moment.

lemsip Wed 05-Apr-23 22:09:21

even the queen had to do as she was told by the Monarchs advisors to make a smooth accession for charles. Does not mean she was in agreement with camilla being queen

Hermother Wed 05-Apr-23 22:10:47

"She’s no queen, she’s just the mistress that got very lucky."

That made me laugh out loud! grin Funniest thing I've read in a long time! grin

Nicegranny Wed 05-Apr-23 22:16:52

I’m glad that made you laugh Hermother the last time I gave my true opinion on Camilla a few disapproved of me calling her a Trollope and had my post removed.
I dislike the fact that she gets to drop the consort bit.

GagaJo Wed 05-Apr-23 22:17:16

Very true Nicegranny. But then, he's no gentleman. A weak, spoiled and sadly damaged by his childhood, man.

Nicegranny Wed 05-Apr-23 22:24:38

I couldn’t agree more Gagajo.
The remark that was made by him years ago wishing he was Camillas tampon is pretty disgusting.