Sex education in UK schools but not as we knew it!

I did feel sorry for the teacher in a way though, she obviously has some difficulty in controlling her class or she wouldn't resort to insulting any of her pupils.
I am not sure if this incident took place during sex education or another lesson.
I imagine that sex education in schools is tailored to the age of the children and agree with another poster that masterbation should not be seen as wrong, but as natural. And of course that consent should be taken very seriously and it should be impressed very strongly that sex should never be coerced or painful or distasteful to anyone taking part.

What a shame they got rid of the nit nurse. 😂

Glorianny says
Identifying as a cat when you think about how humanity is going is actually pretty sensible.
Well yes, because cats have the intelligence never to identify as human and they know the difference between male and female.
So from that point of view cats are much more sensible than any humans who can’t tell the difference between humans and cats, or male and female.

Well done Glorianny!

Germanshepherdsmum

That’s not like insisting you’re a cat, is it? I agree that a child is entitled to an education but if their behaviour disturbs other pupils that education is better provided outside a mainstream school. The perversions of the minority should not prejudice the education of the majority.

So how many more children would you want sent off to be educated elsewhere GSM? You do realise this is exactly what used to happen don't you?
Should a child with Tourettes be sent to a special school?
What about a child who has been physically abused, seen a lot of violence and who has an anger management problem?

But the teacher wanted the girl in the recording to be removed from the school.

Mollygo

Glorianny says
Identifying as a cat when you think about how humanity is going is actually pretty sensible.
Well yes, because cats have the intelligence never to identify as human and they know the difference between male and female.
So from that point of view cats are much more sensible than any humans who can’t tell the difference between humans and cats, or male and female.

Well done Glorianny!

You do know that male cats often mate with other male cats don't you?

I am more concerned with the successful education of the majority than catering to the minority. Yes, a child with Tourette’s should in my view be educated in a special school - as is my neighbour’s foster child who has developmental problems due to violence and substance abuse at home during his early years. He does well in a special school but would be extremely disruptive in a mainstream school. The majority should not have to suffer because of the problems of the minority.

I think there are arguments for and against educating children with special needs in the mainstream. Sometimes it is better for the child, but not for the rest of the children in the class. Sometimes it is a case of teaching the other children to be more tolerant, which is never a bad thing. I don't think it is a one size fits all thing.

Where it gets tricky though, is who children (and students at 18+) see one or two people appearing to get out of things that others have to do, yet get the same degree. I have never known anyone object to someone clearly physically disabled being unable to attend, or (eg) a deaf person having notes sent to them; but people claiming that stress won't allow them to present a paper, or do an exam (when it is clear in the prospectus that these are regular methods of assessment) is a different matter. That sort of thing causes an inordinate amount of stress for staff and students alike, and can cause problems with External Examiners and professional bodies. I wonder if this is similar, in that if the 'cat' doesn't have to wear a uniform, she/he could be seen as being given special treatment and resented by the others.

I think something else is being missed here, and that is that young teens will often push limits as far as they can, as part of being young teens. Saying they are cats, or whatever it may be could easily catch on as a form of protest.

Indeed.

I'm starting to wonder how any of our generation went on to have succesful relationships, considering our sex education was usually a couple of biology lessons, a bit of background reading in Cosmopolitan and snippets gleaned from older / more experienced friends. Everything else was pretty much "learn as we go"!

Glorianny says (nice diversion)

You do know that male cats often mate with other male cats don't you?
🤣🤣🤣
Glorianny that depends entirely on your understanding of mate.
They certainly don’t do it To transfer their genes to the next generation successfully
any more than AHM mate with AHF.

Glorianny

Lathyrus

The mouthing of inclusion stands alongside such phrases as

If (your views) make another child uncomfortable that is not acceptable

But those who have been made uncomfortable by having a different sex in toilets with them have not been shown that consideration.

And what if the behaviour of the self identified is uncomfortable to anyone close to them. Is the cat permitted to rub itself against people’s legs or to try to sit on their laps?

What is the behaviour of a self identified cat? How do they express their catness and what level of tolerance is expected from others?

Teachers don't mouth inclusion. They struggle to develop and grow a society in which every child feels happy and fulfilled. They do so whilst coping with people who are happy to condemn them the minute they slip up. They do so trying to balance one group of parents who think their beliefs should take precedence over another groups. They do so whilst steering children through an increasingly polarised and discriminatory society. One where refugees are castigated, politicians encourage division and people insist only their views matter.
Identifying as a cat when you think about how humanity is going is actually pretty sensible.

Most do, yes.

But I can tell you they won’t succeed in a school where adults are allowed to behave unprofessionally and bully children.

How can bullying and discrimination be prevented when pupils suffer it from the adults without intervention or redress.

Sorry AHM mate with AHM

eddiecat78

I'm starting to wonder how any of our generation went on to have succesful relationships, considering our sex education was usually a couple of biology lessons, a bit of background reading in Cosmopolitan and snippets gleaned from older / more experienced friends. Everything else was pretty much "learn as we go"!

Indeed.

Nuns surely didn't discuss these topics.

As a matter of interest - are any of us cats?

The kid identifying as a cat will be in for a treat if some other kid identifies as a mouse! 🤣

Or a dog. 😁

Lathyrus

Glorianny

Lathyrus

The mouthing of inclusion stands alongside such phrases as

If (your views) make another child uncomfortable that is not acceptable

But those who have been made uncomfortable by having a different sex in toilets with them have not been shown that consideration.

And what if the behaviour of the self identified is uncomfortable to anyone close to them. Is the cat permitted to rub itself against people’s legs or to try to sit on their laps?

What is the behaviour of a self identified cat? How do they express their catness and what level of tolerance is expected from others?

Teachers don't mouth inclusion. They struggle to develop and grow a society in which every child feels happy and fulfilled. They do so whilst coping with people who are happy to condemn them the minute they slip up. They do so trying to balance one group of parents who think their beliefs should take precedence over another groups. They do so whilst steering children through an increasingly polarised and discriminatory society. One where refugees are castigated, politicians encourage division and people insist only their views matter.
Identifying as a cat when you think about how humanity is going is actually pretty sensible.

Most do, yes.

But I can tell you they won’t succeed in a school where adults are allowed to behave unprofessionally and bully children.

How can bullying and discrimination be prevented when pupils suffer it from the adults without intervention or redress.

So have you any evidence of this apart from the voice recording which is one teacher struggling to deal with the issues?
Was the girl punished? Was she sent to another school?
Or did the whole event just slip away, until it was resurrected by people who want to cause upset and division.
Any pupil who is bullied can report a teacher. There is a process to deal with this.

This thread is bringing back why I was so pleased to leave education, where someone is always trying to tell you how to do a job they couldn't, and wouldn't do themselves.

Did it for 35 years.

And never had to bully a

pupil.

If the school fails to take action given the recording, that is pretty clear evidence of the ethos of the school.

Mollygo

Glorianny says (nice diversion)

You do know that male cats often mate with other male cats don't you?
🤣🤣🤣
Glorianny that depends entirely on your understanding of mate.
They certainly don’t do it To transfer their genes to the next generation successfully
any more than AHM mate with AHF.

Most people who have domestic cats get them neutered if they don't want a wild Tom or umpteen kittens to re- home.

I’m still teaching primary and I’ve never had to bully a pupil.
Some parents have a go, and teachers can suffer quite badly if they don’t have a supportive head.
Primary teachers do suffer from violence from children and parents.
I wonder what would happen if teachers announced they identified as dogs or cats. Would they be supported?

I am more interested in the problem with the new phone with a tiny screen. Why are mobile phones so darned difficult for people with failing eyesight and arthritic hands? In 1955, in the sixth form I took a zoology course. The nearest we got to reproduction in mammals was dissecting a rabbit. It was a private girls school for young ladies. We did not have any sex education then. I confirmed my suspicions about the process in humans by reading home guide to marriage and housekeeping in my aunt's house.

I seem to remember the biology teacher at my girls' grammar starting our sex education class by saying that we probably knew more about it than she did,

We were expected to watch the African Clawed Toads, who lived in a tank at the back of the Biology lab. They were chosen, apparently, as they mated in the missionary position . Apart from that, everything we learnt was from books with diagrams, rather than photos.

I think there should be a happy medium between toad-watching and instructions on masturbation, and yes, things like consent and optionality should be paramount.

I still believe that inclusivity should be extended to include those who can see that the emperor is wearing no clothes though. Why should children be gaslit into agreeing that a classmate can be a cat, or that whether you are male or female is optional? It is important that children can trust the adults around them to tell them the truth, and teaching them that adults can force them to deny the evidence of their eyes is likely to be psychologically damaging for them.