Drag Queens

I never said reading sexualised children. I believe you misunderstood me on purpose VioletSky. It is having drag queens delivering the stories that I think is inappropriate and could be frightening.

The last thing we want to do is put children off reading by someone in thick make up and flamboyant clothes, possibly with a male voice.

Children need to be protected.

Beetlejuice

I must have misunderstood your post My childhood was Punch hitting Judy with a big stick but you know as a personal anecdote violetsky.

Chad Greene, as explained earlier, is a transgender activitist and author of several books that details his personal journey with gender dysphoria. He's done a huge amount of work in raising awareness of being transgender and the difficulties of daily minutiae of just living his life. He's also empathetic towards those in society who are fearful and wary of transgender people and seeks to allay their fears and misgivings in a very open and understanding manner. I have huge respect for someone who hasn't had an easy life, but has come to a point in his life where he can see things from other people's perspectives.

Can you explain the relevance to this thread?

I don't do trans threads

I think children are going to grow up confused, they seem to be surrounded by ambiguity right now, men posing as women, some children posing as cats, dinosaurs, moons. Not all children go along with it, why would they anyway it's not as if they're a homogeneous mass.

Can we have a source report please? I'm finding it difficult to think about it without that information because it could mean in practice so many things

I think you just love to be opposite Violetsky
If someone said the sky was blue you d say ahh but it’s often pink, you just seem to love a disagreement
As you have often talked about your work with children I would have expected you to be a little less inspired by those mocking women by their over exaggerated acting

I didn’t know there was a ‘d’ for drag in the many initials we now use for the inclusion of everyone I m waiting for the ‘c’as in cats to be added

The spirit of drag is predicated on the transgressive sexual element and the ideology of queer theory, which cannot be erased by switching the context and softening the language. The philosophical and political project of queer theory has always been to dethrone traditional heterosexual culture and elevate what Rubin called the “sexual caste” at the bottom of the hierarchy: the transsexual, the transvestite, the fetishist, the sadomasochist, the prostitute, the porn star, and the paedophile. Drag Queen Story Hour can attempt to sanitize the routines and run criminal background checks on its performers, but the subculture of queer theory will always attract men who want to follow the ideology to its conclusions.

(From the Magazine / The Social Order, Education 2022, an American publication)

I've just seen that there's been violent clashes outside a London pub today. A drag queen storytelling had been booked but violence broke out between transgender activists and Turning Point UK. Several arrested.

Long read about it here, from August last year, in The Guardian -

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/aug/11/im-just-trying-to-make-the-world-a-little-brighter-how-the-culture-wars-hijacked-drag-queen-story-hour

BlueBelle

I think you just love to be opposite Violetsky
If someone said the sky was blue you d say ahh but it’s often pink, you just seem to love a disagreement
As you have often talked about your work with children I would have expected you to be a little less inspired by those mocking women by their over exaggerated acting

I didn’t know there was a ‘d’ for drag in the many initials we now use for the inclusion of everyone I m waiting for the ‘c’as in cats to be added

I agree with lots of people on lots of topics here

I am very pro LGBTQ and an intersectional feminist. My views do not change depending on which way a thread is going so I'm not sure how you have come to that conclusion. I just express my own views, I'm not tagging people and being personal

I've had a look to see what kind of books are being read during the drag queen story hours and have found that these seem to be popular.

"The Hips On the Drag Queen Go Swish Swish Swish". "This book is a quirky twist on a classic nursery rhyme."

"When Aidan Became a Brother" When Aidan was born, everyone thought that he was a girl but, once he came out as a trans boy, and his parents fixed the parts of his life that didn't fit anymore he settled happily into being himself".

"If You're A DragQueen And You Know It" "A playful celebration of being your brightest and boldest self. Sing-a-long with the actions of winking, shaking your bum and laughing real big."

I would have a real problem with my child being involved with this and can see why Chad and others do too.

What you sometimes write, VS, is very sad.
You play with fire frequently. Your choice of course. You may even be thinking, "where is the harm". But it is all serious stuff.
I will pray for you.

fancythat

What you sometimes write, VS, is very sad.
You play with fire frequently. Your choice of course. You may even be thinking, "where is the harm". But it is all serious stuff.
I will pray for you.

I still have no idea what you mean, sorry

I'm a bit younger I guess being 48, but most of my circles, friendship and work are very very liberal and there is a lot of intersectional feminism around. The group I belong too for sharing stories of overcoming adversity and prejudice as women has nearly 3 million members

This is just what I'm used too in general and in my circles I'm pretty far from loud about things

Sarah72

Long read about it here, from August last year, in The Guardian -

www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/aug/11/im-just-trying-to-make-the-world-a-little-brighter-how-the-culture-wars-hijacked-drag-queen-story-hour

Thank you, that was more the impression of what they might do I got.

I cant really say I was impressed by the violence and hatred of some of the opposition.

Thanks for sharing that article

Turning Point is a scary organisation, but that doesn’t mean that the sort of thing that Beetlejuice mentions is acceptable.

VS, I have no idea what your age has to d with anything, and whereas you clearly see yourself as liberal, intentionally of not you come across as very intolerant of those who don’t agree with you. Self-praise is no recommendation, of course.

I see clear links between drag and blackface, which you are clearly choosing to ignore. Female impersonators such as the late Paul O’Grady as Lily Savage, or the late Barry Humphries as Dame Edna were affectionate and not remotely sexual. Bawdy at times, but that is not the same thing, and in any case their acts were not aimed at children. Other forms of drag, OTOH, are very different, and ‘The hips on the drag queen go swish swish swish’ is completely inappropriate for young children whether the hips belonged to a drag queen, a man or a woman. I cannot understand why you can’t see that, particularly if you are involved at any level with safeguarding.

I'm only intolerant of intolerance

Wyllow posted an article that explains the difference better than I could

But in general, you know I prefer not to chat to you because of the personal nature of your comments doodledog

Doodle the Safe Schools Alliance has this to say about it

We believe that Drag Queen Story Hour is damaging as it promotes the transgression of boundaries in a way that is not in small children’s best interests, and prioritises validation of adult identities over children’s factual learning about the world. Bringing adult ideology into children’s spaces such as schools and library Story Hours is an abuse of power by the adults involved.

We prioritise the safeguarding of children: we therefore do not support the protests that have taken place outside Aida H Dee’s events, which will have been frightening both for the children accompanying the protesters and the children brought along to attend the Story Hour. We call on the responsible local councils and the Children’s Commissioner to intervene, prioritise child safeguarding and stop these events.

They subsequently wrote to the Children’s Commissioner about the Story Hour tour by Aida H Dee and, in that letter specifically drew attention to the phrase "love has no age", a phrase often used during these sessions. The phrase ‘love has no age’ is a phrase used to groom children and should be avoided by those who do not wish to be associated with such practices."

VioletSky

I'm only intolerant of intolerance

Wyllow posted an article that explains the difference better than I could

But in general, you know I prefer not to chat to you because of the personal nature of your comments doodledog

I think people are fully aware that I do not make personal comments - I just say things that you don’t like, which is not the same thing at all .

‘Preferring not to chat to’ people who ask you awkward question is a good way of avoiding admitting that you don’t have the answers though.,

I don’t know much about the Safe Schools Alliance, tbh Beetlejuice. I do believe that the protestors against the drag queens are very dodgy, but as I say, that doesn’t make children being exposed to drag a good thing. It is deeply worrying that it is organisations such as this which are protecting children - that should be happening as a matter of course in schools.

That's 2 personal comments now on just this thread doodledog

It is possible to discuss things without doing that and creating a hostile environment

Then I would engage and actually read things without my name highlighted in them somewhere

No, they were not personal comments - they were self defence. I assert my own boundaries around being misrepresented. I would have thought you would approve of that.

I don’t want a hostile environment but I will not say nothing when I am accused of doing things I don’t

You make it clear you think very little of me doodledog and assign the worst intentions to me... whether you agree that's being personal or not... so I don't see the point in chatting to you really and I'm not sure what you get put of it either when it's clear I don't want to converse with you

BlueBelle

I think you just love to be opposite Violetsky
If someone said the sky was blue you d say ahh but it’s often pink, you just seem to love a disagreement
As you have often talked about your work with children I would have expected you to be a little less inspired by those mocking women by their over exaggerated acting

I didn’t know there was a ‘d’ for drag in the many initials we now use for the inclusion of everyone I m waiting for the ‘c’as in cats to be added

Yes, you’re probably right BlueBelle, especially if a thread is about sexual confusion and children. Drag queens are adult entertainers, for adults.
I can imagine my DGS asking
“What is it? or who’s that’ Grandma?”
It’s a man in a funny costume.
You can’t say it’s a man dressed as a woman, because women don’t dress like that.
Why do men feel the need to wear an exaggerated form of women’s clothing and parade in front of children? I wonder which toilets they use?
It’s a good warning though. Look children! If you ever see someone dressed like that, you can be sure it’s a man.

VS everything written is turned into this, as I stated in my first post LGBTQ of which you are a member, is a stick to beat us with. I don’t feel the same and a lecture on the most innocent of posts makes me question it. I can assure you it does the cause no good. I accept people as they are.
I don’t think a Drag Queen reading in full over the top attire, suitable for a Pantomime is right with small children in schools, it’s seedy at best. What with children identifying as cats I do wonder what sort of people are running our schools and playing with children’s minds like this.