Drag Queens

VS we don’t need a lecture on women’s rights either!

What is happening?

Allsorts
What with children identifying as cats I do wonder what sort of people are running our schools and playing with children’s minds like this.
When I read some posts on here, I wonder what sort of people are not just running our schools, but working closely with children.
What sort of safeguarding do those schools have in place?

What is happening Violet, is that once again you seem determined to make this discussion all about you.
On one post you said you don’t do trans threads, yet here yiu are commenting on trans related issues
Accusing Doodledog of making ‘personal’ comments about you, that mean you don’t want to ‘chat’ with her is classic deflection. This is a thread in which people are commenting on Drag Queens being prioritised to read to children. It seems some are reading nursery rhymes with a drag twist. People respond to posts by saying -eg Allsorts, I agree/I disagree. That isn’t being personal, it’s developing the discussion.

Drag Queens are not trans

Drag Queens aren't being prioritised to read to children, they organise this themselves

Drag Queens aren't reading in schools as far as I am aware

Why is everyone ignoring other commenters who have shared articles or otherwise stated that this is not what people think in terms of how they dress and behave with children?

I am not making the thread about me, that's such a strange thing to say. I haven't even answered all the comments put to me

I better go to work

I'm identifying as transparent for the rest of the day

My pronouns are "who" and "where"

I wonder whether those promoting the drag queen appearances in libraries etc have considered that they may be demonstrating to children the exact opposite of what they intended? The impression given is that men are dressing up as glamorous women so that they can ponce pose around onstage making fun of female attributes and making people laugh - not (as most transwomen are trying very hard to do) being ordinary people of the male sex who prefer to present themselves as ordinary people of the female sex.

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Cross posted with a few of you. Walking on eggshells takes ages

Mollygo

Allsorts
What with children identifying as cats I do wonder what sort of people are running our schools and playing with children’s minds like this.
When I read some posts on here, I wonder what sort of people are not just running our schools, but working closely with children.
What sort of safeguarding do those schools have in place?

I know. It makes my head spin.

I’d have to say or do something if it was happening in a school where I was working

VioletSky

I better go to work

I'm identifying as transparent for the rest of the day

My pronouns are "who" and "where"

In my honest opinion and writing as my authentic self is this not attention seeking in the same way as cats and moon?

Perhaps the drag queens (if that’s what they are I think the drag of today is overly grotesque and has moved into another level) should read their stories to cats identifying as humans 😂

Obviously it’s everyone’s prerogative to be on this site or not, but I think when I was 48 (almost 30 yrs ago!) , teaching, and with young children at home, it’s the last place I’d have time for, or choose to be.

Staceyann I’ve been on here since I was 48 (3 years ago), but then again, I’ve got a lot of time on my hands.

I didn’t know that you were dyslexic VS.
That must help you with teaching phonics.
I have dyscalculia (only recently discovered) and I realise that it made me a very good teacher of numeracy to children who struggled with it.
I couldn’t cope at all with the bright maths kids though!

Sparklefizz

Why are drag queens being booked to read to children in libraries, schools etc? What is the point? I genuinely don't understand.

If it's to be more inclusive, surely it would be better to ask little people like Ellie Simmonds, people who are deaf, etc ... ie. people who have a "condition" rather than people who just like to dress up?

I've no idea.

I'd imagine more children begin attending Christian schools - no unnecessary lessons about anal sex, no cats, no drag queens.

We have discussed the context in which a drag queen reads to children but have not discussed the location. What about the head teacher who is inviting the drag queen into the school? What about the parents who are sending their children to that school? What about the children who may come from different ethnic backgrounds who may have other feelings about who reads to their children? All these points need to be aired to get a clear 360 degree picture of what is actually going on. What effect does it have on children if they are read to by a drag queen? Or removed from the classroom because their parents don't approve? Which age group is being affected? So, what I would have done was to explain to my child/grandchild in the simplest of terms that this 'reader' was show biz like panto or showtime thus wearing sparkly clothing. Where I would have drawn the line was on the content of the story and on the attire the 'reader' was wearing. If in line with common decency fine, if of a crude nature, then I would have gone to the head and board of governors and had something to say.

VioletSky

Why shouldn't drag queens read to children?

No one is forced to attend

Why shouldn't drag queens read to children?

Are you as innocently naive as that question indicates that you are?

Drag culture is highly sexualised and subversive. It is adult entertainment in the true sense of the phrase. Beyond the comprehension of small children.

Drag queens do not simply sit down in the library to read an age-appropriate story book from the library shelves; they have tailored 'story-time' to introduce young minds to the sub-culture of drag - they are challenging heteronormative society. In the adult world, that is fine - how we organise the society we live in should always be open to debate. Indoctrinating young minds before they are capable of understanding such concepts is what people are objecting to.

Norah

Sparklefizz

Why are drag queens being booked to read to children in libraries, schools etc? What is the point? I genuinely don't understand.

If it's to be more inclusive, surely it would be better to ask little people like Ellie Simmonds, people who are deaf, etc ... ie. people who have a "condition" rather than people who just like to dress up?

I've no idea.

I'd imagine more children begin attending Christian schools - no unnecessary lessons about anal sex, no cats, no drag queens.

Oh great, let's just go back to the days of Section 28!

Thank you for the eggshell walking Doodledog @8.23.
I’d forgotten about DARVO, but I can see how clearly it is evidenced in posters who use the technique.
Well put Dickens @8.51.
Innocent and naive for me doesn’t conjure up a person who knows anything about the subject in question.

Blondiescot

Norah

Sparklefizz

Why are drag queens being booked to read to children in libraries, schools etc? What is the point? I genuinely don't understand.

If it's to be more inclusive, surely it would be better to ask little people like Ellie Simmonds, people who are deaf, etc ... ie. people who have a "condition" rather than people who just like to dress up?

I've no idea.

I'd imagine more children begin attending Christian schools - no unnecessary lessons about anal sex, no cats, no drag queens.

Oh great, let's just go back to the days of Section 28!

Np. I've no desire for section 28. No need for cats, rubbish sex lessons, or drag queens in school lessons either.

Np No

Threads descend into arguments with you instead of being about the topic at hand, people get bored and leave, and the subjects don’t get discussed properly

Yes, I think that's the plan actually. Distract, divert and derail and then the thread either fizzles out or gets taken down. Perhaps best to ignore such tactics and focus only on contributions that bring something positive to the discussion.
Someone, not sure who, drew parallels between drag queen and black face. I've thought about that and have to agree that this is a valid point. Back in the 60s, tv shows such as the Black & White Minstrels were enormously popular but, due to recognition that parodying the physical attributes and characteristics of black men (because it was mainly the men who were black faced) was neither funny nor acceptable, that ended. And yet here we are, in 2023, with a tv show like Ru Paul's Drag Race, which parodies the physical attributes and characteristics of women. Parodying, and overtly sexualising women, is however, acceptable apparently.

Un the guardian article that I requested and was quoted, the photographs of the people actually reading - in libraries, where their is a choice to go to - didn't alarm me greatly - as children we had a dressing up box and dressed as all sorts - the people reading were not OTT sexualised like we see on TV's adult shows.

I know we've been referring to cats given recent events, but why not have an animal reading etc etc.

I'm taking a middle path as ever, and don't think we should mess with nursery rhymes.

To me its another thing that its not whether its done but how its done that is significant.

Beetlejuice

^Threads descend into arguments with you instead of being about the topic at hand, people get bored and leave, and the subjects don’t get discussed properly^

Yes, I think that's the plan actually. Distract, divert and derail and then the thread either fizzles out or gets taken down. Perhaps best to ignore such tactics and focus only on contributions that bring something positive to the discussion.
Someone, not sure who, drew parallels between drag queen and black face. I've thought about that and have to agree that this is a valid point. Back in the 60s, tv shows such as the Black & White Minstrels were enormously popular but, due to recognition that parodying the physical attributes and characteristics of black men (because it was mainly the men who were black faced) was neither funny nor acceptable, that ended. And yet here we are, in 2023, with a tv show like Ru Paul's Drag Race, which parodies the physical attributes and characteristics of women. Parodying, and overtly sexualising women, is however, acceptable apparently.

Excellent post Beetlejuice