Drag Queens

I would say that the photo you shared is of a TW Blondiescot not a drag queen as being discussed here, and a very attractive TW at that.

Smileless2012

I would say that the photo you shared is of a TW Blondiescot not a drag queen as being discussed here, and a very attractive TW at that.

It's not, actually. It's a very well known drag queen, Courtney Act. I'm not saying that some drag queens may not fall into the 'parody' context, but as I pointed out - there's a very wide spectrum when it comes to drag artists. You can't tar them all with the same brush.

Smileless2012

When you share personal information VS it is shared and you cannot monitor when, where, why and by whom it can be referred too.

If it is a problem, best not to share to begin with.

I do not believe you would be happy for me to share your personal info across threads

And I wouldn't do it anyway because it is unnecessary, personal and obviously gransnet agreed because there is a comment missing from this very thread

Mollygo

Blondiescot

Sorry Blondiescot I can’t find any evidence of ‘drag’ where males don’t dress as a parody of women.
How is this a 'parody' of a woman?

How is that drag as opposed to TW?

It is. It's well-known drag queen Courtney Act.

Not judging anyone - just remarking that when I was much younger, working full time, with young children, I wouldn’t have gravitated towards a forum such as this….,

The problem with putting anything on the internet, is that it is available for all who read it, to recall or remember when subjects recur, whether that suits the originator or not.
That’s why we teach children not to put anything on the internet that they don’t want others to know about them or to use in a way that they may not like or did not mean.
Once it’s out there, it’s out there. So . . .

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Well I'd never have guessed Blondiescot; stunning.

Oh it's happened to me before VS.

As you say Molly "Once it's out there, it's out there. So .....".

Staceyann

Not judging anyone - just remarking that when I was much younger, working full time, with young children, I wouldn’t have gravitated towards a forum such as this….,

Ok, thank you for letting me know

I'd never have judged you as a mum for how you choose to wind down. Especially, if like me right now, your children were all engaged elsewhere, especially the adult children

If I were sat reading a book instead of a forum thread, no one would ever say anything negative. Strange old world really

Smileless2012

When you share personal information VS it is shared and you cannot monitor when, where, why and by whom it can be referred too.

If it is a problem, best not to share to begin with.

Well yes. And when someone is always using personal information in mitigation against something or other, it is hardly surprising that it gets mentioned, correctly or otherwise. If I am mistaken about VS being Dyslexic, I apologise, but I thought she had said she was. It's hardly an insult, is it?

Anyway, we were discussing drag, not VS . I disagree that drag is a challenge to patriarchy - IMO it is quite the reverse, in fact. Just because something is in the Guardian doesn't make it true - particularly when it is about 'gender' issues.

I’m not (as you can tell) au fait with drag queens, but actually, he is also overdressed for reading stories to young children other than his own, if he has any-more like a TW than a D Q.
The most important part of storytelling is the story, not the teller. If a child goes home and says we had a story read by a drag queen today rather than talking about a great/exciting/ lovely/ spooky story, etc the storyteller has failed.
If children went home, talking about the content of some of those books suggested or those games suggested, and then we will we know the real purpose of the drag queen being there.

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I find it difficult to keep a straight face when it's suggested that drag is a challenge to patriarchy TBH Doodledog, and would be interested to see that claim expanded upon to explain how that conclusion was arrived at.

No that wasn't an insult, it was a genuine mistake and should have been viewed as such.

silverberryfern

The idea behind having drag queens read to children in libraries and schools is to promote inclusivity and celebrate diversity in a fun and engaging way.

I really can’t believe I’m reading that.
Where does your inclusivity stop?

Yes you're right VS in my case it was stalking and harassment and I have moved past it or I wouldn't still be here on GN.

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Oh no, I'm beginning to find that word rather disturbing TBH as it often means anything but inclusive and yes, where does it stop and when will age appropriate be taken into account?

It's not the same VS as I don't see you being stalked or harassed.

Smileless2012

It's not the same VS as I don't see you being stalked or harassed.

Exactly the problem

Whatever I knew or didn't know about you or doodledog or anyone else I'd never use it to get at you across threads

But you think it's ok, more power to you, it obviously matters not one bit that it makes me uncomfortable that other posters are able to make a full list of personal things I've shared one at a time on many different threads and bring them here where they aren't relevant

I'm just not engaging in it in future, it won't reflect badly on me. It's internally irrelevant

Please, please can we get back to the subject of the thread and stop deflecting and diverting? There has been lots of very interesting information shared today and it's really unfair to others to keep trying to derail it. Thank you.

Please don't suggest that I would be OK with you or anyone else being stalked or hounded across threads VS.

Ask the people doing it Beetlejuice

It's not actually me hounding others

That would be good Beetlejuice. Is there anyone who agrees that trans queens are challenging patriarchy and if so, could you say why?

Drag challenges the patriarchy the same way the first woman to put on a pair of trousers did. It banishes gender norms. Or at least that is the way many drag artists view the subject and the intention does matter

Smileless2012

Please don't suggest that I would be OK with you or anyone else being stalked or hounded across threads VS.

On some threads, when I post, I often feel stalked and harassed. The stalkers twist what I say to mean what they want it to mean even when they’ve vowed not to engage. And then they accuse others of stalking and harassing. It’s hard sometimes.