Corbyn now Angela Rayner another reason not to vote Labour 🤔

but being clever enables people to benefit more from their education.
You can't be proud of being born clever. You can be proud of working hard with whatever brains you're born with.
I worked with young people who were so proud of achieving City and Guilds.

I wasn’t born clever nadateurbe
But lots of people think they were.

I've been thinking about this thread and also about the standards of behaviour of MPs in the recent past. It's been pretty dreadful, hasn't it? Lying to parliament, fiddling taxes on a massive scale, breaking covid laws, groping men when drunk, groping women when sober and drunk, snorting cocaine, the disgraceful misuse of the honours system, fiddling expenses, paying relatives inflated salaries for office duties......just a list of some of the things for which MPs have been sanctioned. AR hasn't done any of these things, she said she'd resign if she was found guilty over "Beergate" and seem to be disliked because she is "uncouth and uneducated". What a pity that someone with AR's intelligence and ability didn't receive a better start in life with access to the education that others have had but given her circumstances she didn't have that chance and that's sad. However, she does bring something extra to politics that most MPs don't and that is "real life experience" of disadvantage and a genuine wish to improve the lives of others. I think it would be a shame to have her as Deputy PM, she needs to be in Education or Health. Somewhere where she can make a proper difference, Deputy PM is a bit of a non job really.

I think some people who are very clever lack practical ability. They pass exams and get degrees but they have no common sense or "nowse" as my mother called it.
Look at the last few PMs
Rishi-clever but no nowse!
Truss clever (she has a degree) but no nowse!
Johnson clever? but no common sense

I’m sure Rishi has plenty of nous. Was previously a successful banker and knows how to make money.

A lot of clever people have to be practical - doctors for instance. I don’t claim to be clever, just hard working, but my job required a lot of common sense.

I think you're being kind to Johnson there, Glorianny. Clever but utterly corrupt..

nanna8

Funny about the posh accents. I assume they are thick. Seriously. Just my experiences in life but it is very, very rare to hear one in Australia now.

What a stupidly ignorant thing to say.

MerylStreep

nanna8

Funny about the posh accents. I assume they are thick. Seriously. Just my experiences in life but it is very, very rare to hear one in Australia now.

What a stupidly ignorant thing to say.

Quite
I’m northern, we moved all over Lancashire during my childhood. I became an expert at picking up the various slight difference in accents in towns 3 miles from each other.
My mother was strict with us about avoiding what she called string Northern accents. People will take 10 points off your IQ she’d tell us. We got expert at talking /lancs at school, but not so much at home.
Judgemental comments like the one showed by nana8 are as unacceptable as those directed at the Speaker or our Angela

foxie48

I've been thinking about this thread and also about the standards of behaviour of MPs in the recent past. It's been pretty dreadful, hasn't it? Lying to parliament, fiddling taxes on a massive scale, breaking covid laws, groping men when drunk, groping women when sober and drunk, snorting cocaine, the disgraceful misuse of the honours system, fiddling expenses, paying relatives inflated salaries for office duties......just a list of some of the things for which MPs have been sanctioned. AR hasn't done any of these things, she said she'd resign if she was found guilty over "Beergate" and seem to be disliked because she is "uncouth and uneducated". What a pity that someone with AR's intelligence and ability didn't receive a better start in life with access to the education that others have had but given her circumstances she didn't have that chance and that's sad. However, she does bring something extra to politics that most MPs don't and that is "real life experience" of disadvantage and a genuine wish to improve the lives of others. I think it would be a shame to have her as Deputy PM, she needs to be in Education or Health. Somewhere where she can make a proper difference, Deputy PM is a bit of a non job really.

Had AR had a better start in life she would be a different person, one who had gone to uni and forged a career for herself, not necessarily in politics. Her lack of chances are our gain given that she is a good MP and shadow minister.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m sure Rishi has plenty of nous. Was previously a successful banker and knows how to make money.

A lot of clever people have to be practical - doctors for instance. I don’t claim to be clever, just hard working, but my job required a lot of common sense.

He sure does. apparently he invested £500 million in Moderna at the time of the commissioning of vaccines. I read this in a different thread on hear I think. It could be wrong but somehow I doubt it.

She isn’t our Angela, she’s an MP, not a mate or a friend. She represents her constituency, not all of us.

MerylStreep

nanna8

Funny about the posh accents. I assume they are thick. Seriously. Just my experiences in life but it is very, very rare to hear one in Australia now.

What a stupidly ignorant thing to say.

Were there ever any posh accents in Australia, apart from the odd black sheep. Even the "Aussie Earl" doesn't have a posh accent. By that I mean the 6th Earl of Stradbroke in Suffolk - Keith Rous.

Good point Dinahmo about Angela’s tough childhood and early adult life. I agree as well, I’d like to see her as a shadow minister

nadateturbe

^but being clever enables people to benefit more from their education.^
You can't be proud of being born clever. You can be proud of working hard with whatever brains you're born with.
I worked with young people who were so proud of achieving City and Guilds.

So true.

Dinahmo

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m sure Rishi has plenty of nous. Was previously a successful banker and knows how to make money.

A lot of clever people have to be practical - doctors for instance. I don’t claim to be clever, just hard working, but my job required a lot of common sense.

He sure does. apparently he invested £500 million in Moderna at the time of the commissioning of vaccines. I read this in a different thread on hear I think. It could be wrong but somehow I doubt it.

And is there something wrong with that? Don’t you think it helped the development of the vaccine?

maddyone

She isn’t our Angela, she’s an MP, not a mate or a friend. She represents her constituency, not all of us.

Quite. She’s not my Angela. I have no desire to be associated with her.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m sure Rishi has plenty of nous. Was previously a successful banker and knows how to make money.

A lot of clever people have to be practical - doctors for instance. I don’t claim to be clever, just hard working, but my job required a lot of common sense.

The ability to.make money isn't a particularly good preparation for a political career.
He's not displaying much interest in the issues that concern most voters and has a poor grasp of political economy.

The rest of the world has little respect for the UK right now. Little wonder as we have little respect for ourselves and our country. Does anyone honestly think that having Angela Rayner representing us on the world stage is going to enhance our image?

Ken Pollard, the mayor of the council said: “I have been asked to write to you formally on behalf of the residents of Shefford to raise the town’s concerns and frustration at the continuing lack of representation for the people of Mid Bedfordshire at Westminster.

“In your role as the acting member of parliament of Mid Bedfordshire, residents of Shefford feel that, due to your scant interest in your constituency, your aversion to attending local events or services and your lack of a maintained constituency office, the local area has been ‘abandoned’ by yourself.

“Your last spoken contribution in the House of Commons was on June 7, 2022, and your last written question was asked on the December 20, 2017. In addition, your behaviour and actions reported in the press are in direct violation of ‘the seven principles of public life’ (also known as the Nolan principles, published on May 31 1995), which apply to anyone who works as a public officeholder and all those who are elected or appointed to public office.”
Part of letter sent to Nadine Dorries . Would anyone really prefer to have this joke of an MP as Deputy P.M? BJ actually wanted her in the second chamber, total madness!

In answer to your question foxie,
No.

I doubt Dorries will be considered for deputy PM in a Labour
Government

But that doesn’t mean I want Angela Raynor either!

Sorry, Rayner!

maddyone

She isn’t our Angela, she’s an MP, not a mate or a friend. She represents her constituency, not all of us.

Eh up maddyone, it’s a northern thing, to refer to others as ‘our’ Angela. We even do it about our mums and sisters.
She represents a lot to many of us, including coping with adversity and getting on with it

Yvette Cooper.

Penny Mordaunt.

Angela Rayner - I admire her 'get up and go'. Her background has not made it easy to get to where she is. But she lacks a certain gravitas, a certain sobriety is the only way I can express it. I'd like to see her in "health" in some capacity or other.