Corbyn now Angela Rayner another reason not to vote Labour 🤔

Well, it is relevant: remember how the press had a go at Keir being a landowner until it became apparent that he’d bought the land so his mum could keep donkeys on it.

Would Johnson have been so popular if he’d spoken with a Brummie accent and was bald? Even I must admit that if someone speaks in a posh accent I will automatically assume that they are cleverer than I am.

MerylStreep

MaizieD
The country estate isn’t irrelevant if you want to walk the coastal path on the Dengie peninsula.
The family blocked the sea wall off outside the house which meant if the tide was in you had a few miles detour.
Maldon council have been disputing this issue for years, and his son, Hillary has the brass neck to put forward a bill to open up all coastal paths.

But that’s true of thousands of miles of coast path, with lots of landowners, isn’t it?

Okay, here's another one,
'Who would you rather have as Deputy PM, Angela Raynor or Nadine Dorries?'
I know my preference.

Maremia

Okay, here's another one,
'Who would you rather have as Deputy PM, Angela Raynor or Nadine Dorries?'
I know my preference.

I know mine too.
Neither!

Neither

I'm just off to do something more useful (but possibly less enjoyable) and I looked again at the OP.

^ ... Angela Rayner another reason not to vote Labour^

Personally, I don't think the proposition has been proved.

People will it seems, not be influenced one way or another by Angela Rayner per se. It doesn't seem she has changed one vote.

MayBee70

Would Johnson have been so popular if he’d spoken with a Brummie accent and was bald? Even I must admit that if someone speaks in a posh accent I will automatically assume that they are cleverer than I am.

You shouldn’t do that MayBee but I understand it’s difficult to rid yourself of that idea.
Accents don’t make people clever or not clever. Nor for that matter does education, but being clever enables people to benefit more from their education.

At least Angela would turn up, which would be a bonus.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66568270
There really does need to be an ability to remove an MP who is not fulfilling her duties without consent.

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Casdon I agree. MPs should attend Parliament and be removed if they consistently don’t.

Maremia

If we are judging by what politicians say, remember 'Let the bodies pile high'? And he wasn't kidding.

Although that was a callous comment, it wasn't vulgar or uncouth - and it's those traits which seem to bother people most.

Also, he didn't make the comment in the House.

He is also reported to have said during a discussion about the problems facing businesses after Brexit, "f*ck business". Also, when talking about financing some aspect of looking into historical cases of child abuse, it is alleged he said that it would be money "spaffed" up against the wall" - 'spaff' can be regarded as offensive slang terminology.

The trick is, obviously, to be offensive and coarse in private where you can defend your vulgarity on those very grounds. .

I don't personally think f*ck sounds any better in an Etonion accent - and the educated can be just as vulgar as the supposedly uneducated in their choice of words.

I just wish they'd all, those that use 'street' language in the House, just stop lowering the bar. I'm not a prude, I'm not clutching my artificial pearls - I just think once you cross that point of what is recognised as civil language... it's the start of the race to the bottom.

Whereas I entirely support equal opportunities for all children there are many many reasons why some parents pay for their children’s education.

Yes, some reasons result from snobbery and others from social climbing, others just follow the same pattern that their families have followed for generations. Conversely there are parents who feel that local schools are not performing very well or may not have the funds to cater for the wide range of educational/medical needs that may be available elsewhere. It could be that many in this cohort really struggle to pay for their education, simply because they want to do their best for their children and make sure that every opportunity is available to them.

Those who go on to Russell Group universities, are, it is true coming from not only a mixture of schools, but also a wide range of backgrounds.

There is a reverse side of this coin. It is not unheard for university students from fee paying schools to withhold this information from their fellows so that they will not be labelled as ‘posh’. So the resentment and maligning can work both ways.

Every child in the country should have access to the best medical and educational support, selection for university should be made without knowledge of the child’s postal code or school. I just fear that this will not happen in my lifetime.

Anniebach

Maizie how is Rayner being a mother at 16 relevant yet living in a country estate not relevant for a Labour MP. ?

You tell me why the ownership of a country estate has any bearing on the political activity of the owner.

Maizie neither or both are relevant

Point taken Dickens.

Taking this back to the original Poster, Nicenanny, who in the present Government do you consider fit and worthy of being the DPM? I have to assume that, as you seem to dislike vulgarity, you wouldn't rate Anderson? Unless 'vulgarity' wasn't the problem.

Casdon

MerylStreep

MaizieD
The country estate isn’t irrelevant if you want to walk the coastal path on the Dengie peninsula.
The family blocked the sea wall off outside the house which meant if the tide was in you had a few miles detour.
Maldon council have been disputing this issue for years, and his son, Hillary has the brass neck to put forward a bill to open up all coastal paths.

But that’s true of thousands of miles of coast path, with lots of landowners, isn’t it?

Without knowing the first thing about the situation, unless the landowner has prevented access to a legally designated public footpath they are completely within their rights to block access. We don't have a public 'right to roam' such as applies in Scotland.

Without knowing how the ownership of the land is arranged it is possible that Mr Benn would be happy to grant public access but is being overruled by other family members. It's possible that he could be looking to circumvent that by means of his Bill's proposals.

I agree that on the face of it it looks somewhat hypocritical, but it in no way debars him from being a Labour politician.

Anniebach

Maizie neither or both are relevant

I'm sorry, Ab, but you are not explaining how property ownership is relevant.

Rayner's background gives her an understanding of the lives of the disadvantaged but I don't think that's particularly relevant. She could equally well have become a tory or a Lib Dem.

Maizie i don’t think either are relevant but some do

Anniebach

Maizie i don’t think either are relevant but some do

Apologies if I've misread you, Ab

Maizie this comes up so often on this forum. I don’t agree that one needs to live of poverty to understand poverty , to become a mother at 16 to understand the difficulties of being a very young unmarried mother.

Funny about the posh accents. I assume they are thick. Seriously. Just my experiences in life but it is very, very rare to hear one in Australia now.

Maremia

Taking this back to the original Poster, Nicenanny, who in the present Government do you consider fit and worthy of being the DPM? I have to assume that, as you seem to dislike vulgarity, you wouldn't rate Anderson? Unless 'vulgarity' wasn't the problem.

I think you will be lucky if you get an answer Maremia. As far as I can see Nicenanny has not added a single post since she put up the rather inflammatory OP.

maddyone

Posters are expressing support for vile language but disgust for education. I went through higher education as did my husband. Our three children all went to university, one of them to Oxford. I’m proud of their achievements and find the disgust expressed, especially re Oxford University to be inverted snobbery.
I’m an ex teacher. I believe in education for all whatever their background. However I am able to understand the difference between a degree and and a college education resulting in NVQs or their equivalent today.

Dispensation granted.

Maddyone no one expressed "disgust for education." I pointed out that education was more than the learning of facts but that is an insult to no one.

I have to admit I don't know where the NVQs come into your argument unless, of course, you are implying that education is just the goverment structured education system. If that is the case, we will have to agree to differ.