Faceless babies

Same here Galaxy. Knocks the edges off you. My daughters used to tease me when I checked out their swimming/gymnastics/drama/horse riding etc tutors. Now their children are joining those kind of activities, they do as much checking and observation as I ever did

I can well understand estrangement/domestic issues giving rise to this, but it has reached a point in the art groups on FB etc which I belong to, where beautiful paintings from the past including babies and children can be censored, or there are outcries from (usually American) members.
It really makes me wonder what goes on in the heads of people these days.
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Iam64

Same here Galaxy. Knocks the edges off you. My daughters used to tease me when I checked out their swimming/gymnastics/drama/horse riding etc tutors. Now their children are joining those kind of activities, they do as much checking and observation as I ever did

What has the natural checking of tutors for our children got to do with the photo of a baby?🤔

We have explained the numerous reasons why there are issues regarding photos of children online.

hollysteers

Iam64

Same here Galaxy. Knocks the edges off you. My daughters used to tease me when I checked out their swimming/gymnastics/drama/horse riding etc tutors. Now their children are joining those kind of activities, they do as much checking and observation as I ever did

What has the natural checking of tutors for our children got to do with the photo of a baby?🤔

Are you deliberately being naive? How can you not have seen what has been going on for years and years.

This reminds me of another saga with my needy neighbour.

We have a private roadway behind our houses where kids from the local school often congregate in groups. They are mostly Asian children (teens) and maybe its difficult for boys to meet girls in their culture. Thats not my problem and I am not here to police meetings by Moslem children.

They sometimes leave cigarette buts, coke cans etc (which my gardener clears upon his monthly visits). The children can see the cctv warning and they choose to come down the roadway so they are informed about the presence of cameras.

My neighbour asked me if I could let her have pictures of any children who pass my house so she can contact the school and complain. I refused because it was not my place to distribute pictures of children who happened to pass by my doorbell camera. There was no proof that these were the same children who were leaving the mess.

She got angry and said "If you have these pictures anyway why not let me have them". Well the pictures are autodeleted after 30 days and I have no intention of keeping them or passing them on to third parties. I told her I would only pass on copies of the pictures to the police so she would have to contact them about the matter.

Ive several times been contacted by police officers investigating a local incident where intruders may have passed along the private road.

Somehow I dont think the police are going to co-operate. I have no wish to have angry Asian parents demanding to know why I am distributing pictures of their children to random people.

You cannot legally give her those images. It is a breach of GDPR.

I fear we have turned into a country where so many believe there is a paedophile hiding behind every hedge and the default position is distrust of people, usually men. Statistically most abusers are family members or friends. Daily Mail readers and red tops go around suspiciously on the lookout for rapists. Bird watchers can’t take photos and photographers generally have to be on their guard. It’s rather sad.

Schools often show photos of their pupils on their website, obviously with permission and like to charge for DVDs of nativity plays as photos may not be allowed. A nice little earner.

It’s refreshing to be in a country like Spain where this hysteria has not taken hold….yet.

Schools often show photos of their pupils on their website, obviously with permission not in my school, or L.A. I can assure you. Only back view and no names were allowed.

If you had attended as many safeguarding and internet safety courses (many organised by the police and CEOP) as I have, you would not be suggesting that we are hysterical.

I also served on L.A internet safety working parties, our L.A. took it very seriously and rightly so. Some very inoccuous webites for children, turned out to be a cover for paedophiles.
In my school at the start of the Autumn term, the ICT programme focussed solely on internet safety for six weeks.

Furthermore, you would not believe how foolish and naive some parents are.
Alerted by a parent, I came across the Facebook profile of an eight year old pupil , posing provocatively in a bikini. Eight year olds are not legally allowed a Facebook profile. Her mother had set it up.
Sadly, these things are happening every day.

Imagine being so rude that you dismiss peoples professional experience as hysteria.

What you wanted was a chance to have a pop at Harry and Meghan, what you got was people who know more about the subject than you.

seems rather blinkered to me.
nothing to do with purity of mind, rather wilful ignorance.
or, as they say on MN, just being goady.

Hollysteers
Your post @14.38 only confirms your naivety. Not only are you unaware what a problem it is in this country but also ignorant of the problem in Spain.

www.euronews.com/2023/10/27/spanish-inquiry-finds-more-than-200000-children-may-have-been-abused-in-catholic-instituti#:~:text=News%20World%20Spain-,Spanish%20inquiry%20finds%20more%20than%20200%2C000%20children,been%20abused%20in%20Catholic%20institutions&text=After%20years%20of%20outcry%20at,the%20reality%20of%20the%20problem.

europeanconservative.com/articles/news/spanish-police-investigate-ai-generated-child-abuse-imagery/

Several minors in the Spanish region of Tierra de Barros could face prison time after they allegedly used artificial intelligence (AI) to create pornographic images of underage girls and released the fake photographs on pornographic websites, including the subscription site OnlyFans.

FYI hollysteers

hollysteers, those of us who worked in safeguarding don’t need telling that most abuse happens in families. Accusing people of hysteria is both incredibly rude and frighteningly naive.

Sorry, xposted there with MerylStreep and Parsley3.
Investigating child sexual exploitation is demanding work for police and others involved. You do not forget those children or their clever abusers, who walk amongst us, mostly looking as ordinary as the next person.

well, not directly to do with this question, but i think there is some surprising lack of awareness around.
on MN a while ago, late one night (!) a 'mother' asked for advice where to buy her DD (8) underwear.
strange that she'd never had to buy it before.
several people came on, discussing what their child liked to wear, and why.
in some detail.
a few of us tried to warn them, but we were accused of being unhelpful. indeed.
i of course reported the thread and it was gone in the morning.
but i was surprised that so many current mothers of young children seemed unaware of the realities of how peadophiles operate.
it's a bit worrying actually.

👍🏻 welbeck

I’m not disputing that child abuse exists in all countries and the church in particular has a worrying history. I’m thinking more of everyday life, not the dark side. Germans sunbathing with their naked babies, not turning a hair and Spanish/Turkish friends showing a warmth to strangers’ children now frowned on in this country.

If your job has been in the field of child abuse, it must affect you, but I like to believe there is more good in the world than bad.

I believe we had a very close shave with my grandson.
My daughter was befriended by a man living close to her.
She invited him into her home etc.
At the time my daughter had not long had my granddaughter so her shit detector was a bit defective.
I went round to visit her one day and he was there. Very gracious and charming.
Fortunately my shit detector was working fine. I knew straight away that something was off kilter.
The next day I persuaded my daughter to phone the police.
My daughter knew where he lived.
A very nice female officer came to see us. She told us the police were very aware of him but so far he hadn’t committed a crime.
The family sorted the problem.

hollysteers, if your job has been in the world of child abuse, it must affect you, but I like to believe there is more good in the world than bad
You’re suggesting the knowledge distorts our perception, worse that somehow your view of the world is right and ours wrong because we see the worst in people.
I don’t expect you intend to be rude but you’re succeeding.

If your job has been in the field of child abuse, it must affect you, but I like to believe there is more good in the world than bad.
So do I, but it does not stop me being vigilant and continuing my Safeguarding CPD.

Hollysteers, count yourself fortunate, you have never come across this.
How can you be absolute sure that the warm and friendly Spaniard hugging your child/grandchild, does not have dark intentions. You can't.
That is why all those working with children in the UK need to be checked. Teachers can't even hug an injured child, as we did in previous times. These checks are not only to protect the child, but the adult working with them.

Iam64

hollysteers, if your job has been in the world of child abuse, it must affect you, but I like to believe there is more good in the world than bad
You’re suggesting the knowledge distorts our perception, worse that somehow your view of the world is right and ours wrong because we see the worst in people.
I don’t expect you intend to be rude but you’re succeeding.

This!

This is going to sound rude too. Ignorance is bliss!.

I agree with welbeck and ask if this is a deliberately goady thread?

There are some very well-informed posters on here.
The internet has, of course, made the problem far, far worse and cases that come to light are just the tip of the iceberg.

Listen to them hollysteers.