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Two year old starves to death

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Whethertomorrow Wed 17-Jan-24 02:33:04

This is the most awful heartbreaking story I think I’ve ever heard.

A poor little lad starved to death next to the body of his father who apparently died of a heart attack. Social services attended address twice but didn’t get an answer.

Why did they not persevere? That poor little boy, he could have survived if found earlier.

When I did cleaning for age concern we were told if there was no answer to our knocking then we were to call the police in case something was wrong. Surely the social services could have done the same. No doubt ‘lessons will be learned’.

I am in absolute pieces typing this. I can only hope the little lad didn’t take a long time to die or in agony.

nanna8 Wed 17-Jan-24 05:51:06

I used to tell my meals on wheels volunteers the same and from time to time they would alert us to a person who had fallen and couldn’t open the door so we would send the police or ambulance out and, sadly, sometimes people who had had a heart attack and died. The social service people quite obviously need some extra training. I would have thought that was pretty basic. Not good.

Pantglas2 Wed 17-Jan-24 05:59:42

So very sad and it appears that the social worker informed the Police after her first visit but they didn’t do anything- no doubt it will all come out at the inquest.

RosiesMaw Wed 17-Jan-24 07:37:13

Dreadful how some things read cannot be un-read.

V3ra Wed 17-Jan-24 07:48:25

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12971377/Toddler-two-starves-death-dead-father-Tiny-Bronson-curled-Pudsey-pyjamas-dad-suffered-heart-attack-devastated-family-lash-social-services-failing-save-him.html

Iam64 Wed 17-Jan-24 08:32:53

The social worker visited by appointment, got no reply and contacted the police. I don’t understand why no police action was taken.
The social worker visited again, no reply, child not seen so police informed. Again, no action.
The social worker obtained a key from the landlord, let herself in and found the bodies.
Please don’t just blame this social worker. I don’t understand why the police didn’t gain access to the property. In my experience, they’d have used their powers to gain entry to ensure a vulnerable child was seen.
The child’s mother is complaining to the Sun that social services let her child die. No comment on thst

woodenspoon Wed 17-Jan-24 09:05:17

I don’t think the social worker is to blame. What about the mother? What about the rest of the family? Why was a 60 year old man with health issues having custody of a 2 year old. The poor little boy looks in need of a good bath in the photos. He should have been taken into care. Poor little child.

Serendipity22 Wed 17-Jan-24 09:22:01

As i have read, the police were contacted on more than 1 occasion, so im not understanding why action was not taken with them, the police. From what I have read, the social worker involved, pursue
pursued it further.

eazybee Wed 17-Jan-24 10:03:21

Always, blame the social worker without any evidence.
Why did the police not investigate?

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 17-Jan-24 10:09:54

The police have questions to answer. I would also like to know why, after alerting the police twice that she had been unable to obtain access, the second time on 4 January, she did not call again until 9 January. We don’t yet know when the little one died.
As for his mother, who hadn’t seen her child since before Christmas after a row with the father - I have no words,

TerriBull Wed 17-Jan-24 10:25:50

Unbelievably sad. In this case I think the social worker wasn't to blame, the police should have acted once she had informed them there was no reply when she called by appointment. I agree they have questions to answer.

Spuddy Wed 17-Jan-24 10:54:36

Again, the so-called social services are to blame, they should be closed down and a new system built. Again, they're blaming everyone but themselves and all the ''lessons will be learned'' rubbish.

As well as the poor baby and dad, there was also a starving Boxer dog too, who thankfully, was saved just in time.

Germanshepherdsmum Wed 17-Jan-24 10:55:50

Have you read the newspaper report Spuddy?

crazyH Wed 17-Jan-24 10:57:32

One of the saddest stories in a longtime 😢

Knitandnatter Wed 17-Jan-24 11:03:34

eazybee

Always, blame the social worker without any evidence.
Why did the police not investigate?

And how come Mum hadn't seen the infant since before Christmas?
There appears to be much more to this very sad case than has been revealed.
Where were the rest of the family?

Dickens Wed 17-Jan-24 11:07:23

According to News UK, the father had a heart condition which had caused "severe jaundice" in the past few months.

The mother is blaming social services for not doing their job.

"I can’t believe it. They can’t let them get away with this. We have to be able to rely on social workers to keep our children safe.”

The mother should be questioned as to why she didn't do her job, no?

She had a row with the boy's father, left the child in his care - knowing he was not in good health - and didn't see either of them over Christmas.

It appears the police were informed that there was no response from the calls the social worker made, and they didn't follow up. So in this instance, it is not the SW to blame, if that is true... SWs cannot break down people's doors.

I cannot imagine leaving a child in the care of a sick man for one day let alone the period before and after Christmas.

Some people lead such chaotic and unstable lives that I really believe children from such backgrounds might be better off being removed completely from them. The child was already being monitored on a weekly basis because he was "vulnerable".

This whole 'culture' of keeping families together - with support - is IMO questionable. My own family have past experience through fostering of this 'rule'; the child they fostered didn't die, but he was traumatised by this culture of 'keeping the family together'. When they complained, the boy was removed from their care and they were forbidden any further communication with him and told not to ask about him. Through the 'grapevine' they discovered that he'd been returned to the father who had abused him. It was my sister-in-law who fostered, and it made her sick to her stomach to contemplate what he might have suffered. She was so disillusioned with the whole system that she stopped fostering.

Chocolatelovinggran Wed 17-Jan-24 11:31:09

Absolutely, Dickens and GSM. The mother of the child seems to be full of venom for social services and the police, with no self awareness of her part in this tragedy.

woodenspoon Wed 17-Jan-24 11:41:53

Totally agree with Dickens. The photos show an uncared for grubby malnourished little boy who’d have been better off far away from these people. So sad. The mother is not worthy of the name.

Iam64 Wed 17-Jan-24 11:44:31

the threshold for care proceedings get higher as preventive services disappear. Drug and alcohol abuse is becoming normalised. It’s hard to recruit foster carers. Children come into care too late and with extensive needs
It’s easy to say the system as spuddy does but it’s tough to run decent services with no resources.

sodapop Wed 17-Jan-24 15:23:39

Such a sad story, poor little boy. I can't believe his 'mother' has the brass neck to blame Social Care.

pascal30 Wed 17-Jan-24 15:37:06

at least 16 days with no contact from the mother.. who is truly responsible

Urmstongran Wed 17-Jan-24 15:45:03

Totally agree Iam. That t**t Gideon (George Osborne) and his pal ‘Call me Dave’ with their austerity measures should hang their heads in shame. Hollowed out much needed services to balance the books.

BlueBelle Wed 17-Jan-24 15:46:07

Afraid I blame the mother completely, row or not how could she not see her little baby over Christmas Anyway the child would not have been given to a sick 60 year old if the social services weren’t more worried about the mothers care

Definitely not the Social workers fault it’s the police and the mother Poor little chap looks as if he was bringing himself up very unkempt

Iam64 Wed 17-Jan-24 15:50:06

So true urmston. I’d never defend bad practice and we don’t know the details yet. Devastating for his loved ones
It’s hard to understand why the police didn’t gain access on the two previous occasions the sw contacted them.
Another problem is the ‘working together’ model developed seems to have been diminishing as all services get overwhelmed and invoke inexperienced staff
Heartbreaking to think of that poor little boy.

Iam64 Wed 17-Jan-24 15:51:06

I can’t imagine how the social worker is coping