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Politicising our children.

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Sago Wed 17-Jan-24 15:01:59

I only use FB for our local news activities, however like everything the page is becoming more and more political.

The latest is the Mother of a 9 year old girl saying her daughter wants to strike at school because of the events in Palestine.

I’m not sure whether the child refuses to go to school or what form her strike/protest will take but the Mother is angry that the school are not teaching the children about the Palestinian cause.

I think this is the parents using their child as a political mascot.
I was told my 9 year old granddaughter would be an uncaring adult because I responded saying I felt children should be playing games and reading books etc.

This is my second response

Children should not be politicised, at 9 a child should not be the spokesperson for any cause or used as a political pawn in a game that only adults should partake in.

My granddaughter will be fine as she will be allowed to be a child and develop and grow at the pace of a child.
She will have had fun, fall outs with friends,make ups with friends lots of scraped knees, tears and giggles over silly things that only matter because you are 9.

When she is an adult she will have the emotional and developmental skills to comprehend protest.

For now let the child be a child.

Is a 9 year old capable of fully understanding conflict and protest and is it right that they should be encouraged by parents to take this into the playground?

Callistemon21 Sat 20-Jan-24 22:43:07

I agree.
I have heard a very young DGD worrying about issues she had heard about in school but was still too young to understand and debate.

Mollygo Sat 20-Jan-24 23:14:34

AmberSpyglass

Nine year olds in Gaza are deliberately being exposed to the realities of war every day and our government is doing nothing. If you care about children being allowed to enjoy their innocence for as long as possible, channel your outrage into somewhere it will actually do good rather than being appalled that young people are growing up with news literacy.

Presuming you are outraged, what are you doing?

Joseann Sat 20-Jan-24 23:20:02

I agree.
Surely throughout their development there are plateaus reached in children's brains which cannot be forced to expand. I believe that it isn't until around Year 4 that the front part of the brain, that does all the logical thinking, actually comes online. If we start feeding the brain with sophisticated complex reasoning too early on, then perhaps we run the risk of damaging the way in which the brain works. It is better to wait until children have an understanding of context. Most posters on here seem to agree that this is not until children reach top juniors.
I want my young grandchildren, Years 3 and even Year 5, to enjoy having a soul, not just a brain unnaturally and prematurely coached in reasoning skills.

Joseann Sat 20-Jan-24 23:22:12

That is in response to Callistemon and Katie59.

Glorianny Mon 22-Jan-24 11:37:19

Joseann

I agree.
Surely throughout their development there are plateaus reached in children's brains which cannot be forced to expand. I believe that it isn't until around Year 4 that the front part of the brain, that does all the logical thinking, actually comes online. If we start feeding the brain with sophisticated complex reasoning too early on, then perhaps we run the risk of damaging the way in which the brain works. It is better to wait until children have an understanding of context. Most posters on here seem to agree that this is not until children reach top juniors.
I want my young grandchildren, Years 3 and even Year 5, to enjoy having a soul, not just a brain unnaturally and prematurely coached in reasoning skills.

Logical thinking is a process which develops between the ages of 7-11. It is a process which is taught in schools from year 1. It begins with learning to distinguish between fact and opinion, by year 6 children are analysing newspaper articles to find what is fact and what opinion.
Your post has a lot of opinion, but very few facts.

nanna8 Mon 22-Jan-24 11:54:50

I like children to develop reasoning skills ASAP! Life is much better for them when and if they do. For once I am in accord with Glorianny.

Joseann Mon 22-Jan-24 12:44:26

I feel you like to twist words on every thread Glorianny to gain some form of superiority.
This is a discussion forum where opinions should be be valued, not shouted down.
Actually I was the poster who pointed out that reasoning in the prefrontal cortex of the brain,doesn't develop until around Year 4 (age 8 years). What is not factual or scientific about that comment?
Secondly, when speaking about my own DGC why eould I not want to give an opinion?

Glorianny Mon 22-Jan-24 12:54:54

Joseann

I feel you like to twist words on every thread Glorianny to gain some form of superiority.
This is a discussion forum where opinions should be be valued, not shouted down.
Actually I was the poster who pointed out that reasoning in the prefrontal cortex of the brain,doesn't develop until around Year 4 (age 8 years). What is not factual or scientific about that comment?
Secondly, when speaking about my own DGC why eould I not want to give an opinion?

You said you believe- that's opinion
Logical reasoning is a process. It doesn't just appear overnight at a certain age. Which is why we begin to teach it in Year 1.
Are you saying we don't?
You also said perhaps we run the risk of damaging the way in which the brain works
So are you suggesting that the teaching of the basis of logic in Year 1 is harmful?
This idea that I somehow twist what people say is becoming tedious. It only emerges when a poster is unable to make a proper ripost to my remarks.

Joseann Mon 22-Jan-24 13:02:57

You said you believe- that's opinion.
It wasn't actually in this case. It was meant as, "I haven't time to check in any documentation so I'll have to hope it's true".
There are two different meanings of the verb to believe if you check..
Anyway, I have less than 15 minutes before my next lesson in the classroom, so I'll be off. Nothing to do with being unable to make a proper riposte - the word has an e on the end by the way.

Glorianny Mon 22-Jan-24 13:55:37

Joseann

*You said you believe- that's opinion.*
It wasn't actually in this case. It was meant as, "I haven't time to check in any documentation so I'll have to hope it's true".
There are two different meanings of the verb to believe if you check..
Anyway, I have less than 15 minutes before my next lesson in the classroom, so I'll be off. Nothing to do with being unable to make a proper riposte - the word has an e on the end by the way.

Ah spelling corrections the last refuge of the desperate on GN.
Enjoy your lesson. Nothing to do with logic if the children are under 9 I hope. You might be damaging their brain.
(That's all opinion and sadly lacking in facts but who cares about them?)

ruthiek Tue 23-Jan-24 18:54:37

I was in London recently when the protests were going on and I was horrified by the amount of young children who were parading the Palestinian flag and were covered in the colour of Palestine on their faces . These children were not Middle Eastern and were very young and one child in particular was shouting the most awful things about Jews, they couldn’t have understood what they were saying but the adults with them were encouraging these chants . There is no hope for humanity if this sort of thing is allowed to continue

Mollygo Tue 23-Jan-24 20:57:22

Saying one thing and reneging. Accusing people who disagree with you of Islamophobia or transphobia or any other phobia, and it’s dismissed by this own goal.

That's all opinion and sadly lacking in facts but who cares about them?

You get better Glorian y

Katie59 Tue 23-Jan-24 22:20:14

Children are “used” by adults for illegal activity because the can’t be prosecuted in the same way as an adult would. Shouting abuse or Drugs couriers it amounts to the same thing, wether it is teachers or parents children should be given a balance view not the bias that an adult may have.

Glorianny Wed 24-Jan-24 09:33:22

ruthiek

I was in London recently when the protests were going on and I was horrified by the amount of young children who were parading the Palestinian flag and were covered in the colour of Palestine on their faces . These children were not Middle Eastern and were very young and one child in particular was shouting the most awful things about Jews, they couldn’t have understood what they were saying but the adults with them were encouraging these chants . There is no hope for humanity if this sort of thing is allowed to continue

Ho do you know "they were not Middle Eastern". Many families look white but are Palestinian, many families are mixed heritage with one British white parent and one Palestinian. You can't tell someone is from Palestine or any of the countries in the Middle East just by looking. The only possible exception being if you are close enough to see the colour of their eyes, they very rarely have blue eyes.
If they were. chanting about Jews they could have been arrested. Were they chanting about Israel because that's different.

Glorianny Wed 24-Jan-24 09:35:12

Katie59

Children are “used” by adults for illegal activity because the can’t be prosecuted in the same way as an adult would. Shouting abuse or Drugs couriers it amounts to the same thing, wether it is teachers or parents children should be given a balance view not the bias that an adult may have.

If they are in the care of an adult the adult can be prosecuted if the abuse is discriminatory (as shouting abuse about Jews is)