Transgender women and an early state pension.

As demonstrated by the posters comments on this thread your views are a world apart from others, and sometimes in your quest to be right and heard your comments occasionally make no logical sense...I don't see rudeness there at all.

You do not have the power to define another human being

That is the main problem on this thread really isn't it?

People thinking they can put people in the boxes they think they belong in and they should jolly well stay there

Whatever VS, im off to catch up with Emmerdale! Laters🙂

Have fun!

Nope. We dont have that kind of power. If someone is Male it is nothing to do with what box I put them in. If I pretend and say they are female they will remain Male.

That is the very definition of placing someone in the box that suits you Galaxy

When the government itself allows that there is likely a biological difference

You can't even allow for women to keep their safe spaces and trans women to be trans women

It's your label or nothing, no matter what

In case you don’t understand VS, lesbians who want heterosexual sexual relationships are not lesbians.

By definition, lesbians want sexual relationships only with females.
The only lesbians and gays that I know only have intimate relations with others of the same sex.

There is nothing to stop them deciding to be heterosexual, or indeed flipping between the two - they call it bi. But even bi are born with one sex and remain that sex throughout their lives.

Going down the dangerous path that bi are lesbians is discriminatory against lesbians and leads to them being unfairly treated by males.
If you, as a self proclaimed bi decide to have sexual relations with a female one day and a male the next, you surely don’t claim you flip from being lesbian to heterosexual, but say you are bi.

My second to last paragraph
^ All those actions by TW who do them, cause a fear of TW that is certainly not irrational and when they hit the headlines with those actions it might arouse fear that being a TW means they do those things.^

Is not transphobic, though maybe I didn’t put it simply enough for you to understand.

It basically explains that because all we hear about TW are the negative things that those TW do, they may fear that all TW are like that.

The answer lies in the hands of those TW.
They and their TRA supporters are responsible.

They need to stop doing things that bring their TW label into disrepute by discriminating against and harming females.
Stop their TRA supporters threatening and harming females.

Doing that would benefit ALL trans, and the females who suffer at the hands of those some TW.

My label makes no difference VS. In the same way if I said the earth was flat it would make no difference to the shape of the world. Its upsetting I know.

I don't think the world is flat, I think it is round, diverse and beautiful...

But if you s

But if you said it was flat it would have no impact on the reality.
Acknowledging reality doesnt impact its beauty either.

Mollygo

To say that a lesbian is not a lesbian if they do not subscribe to GC ideology is some next level discriminatory nonsense

I hope no one else agrees with you on that one

I thought we had made great strides against homophobia and yet now we have acceptable lesbians and not acceptable lesbians

Big step backwards there

Well said Mollygo

I’ve just read this quote by the inspirational imo author Margaret Atwood. ‘Men are an afraid women will laugh at them, women are afraid men will kill them’.

All the lesbians i know think transwomen are men. Are they acceptable lesbians. Or naughty lesbians

Galaxy

But if you said it was flat it would have no impact on the reality.
Acknowledging reality doesnt impact its beauty either.

Except that your beliefs are protected and beliefs aren't facts

Science proved the world is round and science is understanding that being trans is a biological difference

And people on this thread also believe that there is only XX and XY yet we know that belief is wrong too don't we?

Galaxy

All the lesbians i know think transwomen are men. Are they acceptable lesbians. Or naughty lesbians

They are entitled to their belief, it is protected under the Equality Act

How many lesbians do you personally know? If you know more lesbians than I do does that add some sort of extra weight?

Are lesbians going to have a vote on whether lesbians are actually lesbians if they date trans women?

Now do you see that's a statement that says exactly nothing?

I know loads of lesbians . Its been one of the best things that has ever happened to me.

And you have had this conversation with all of them?

They all agree that lesbians dating trans women aren't lesbians?

Sounds a bit elitist and discriminatory to me

So... If lesbians are happy to date trans women, do you think they are actually heterosexual?

I don’t care who believes that TWAW. Their sexuality doesn’t confer special powers or insight, does it? It is not biologically possible to change sex. The law doesn’t alter that either.

I couldnt care less what you think about my conversations with my friends.
They mostly talk about how there are no spaces available to them which don't include men. And how the 'kind' people have almost achieved what the 'right' never could .

And people on this thread also believe that there is only XX and XY yet we know that belief is wrong too don't we?

There are a few rare variations on XX and XY but every individual with one of those variations is either male or female and can be identified as such. There is no third sex, if there was there would be a third gamete and there isn't. All mammals, indeed every species plant or animal that reproduces by sexual reproduction has just two sexes. With the exception of some fish none can change sex. No mammal whether human or animal can change sex.

Link to your peer reviewed, respected paper that says being trans is a biological difference please. Won't that be good then when we can do a scientific test to identify real trans people from the fake ones. Funnily enough I've seen quite a few transwomen on twitter who don't welcome such tests, I can't begin to imagine why, can you?

Agreed, Galaxy. I also know a lesbian who suffered abuse when she refused to have sex with a transwoman. It was traumatic.

Can people not answer direct questions?

Surely if your beliefs are beyond reproach those answers would be forthcoming

Who on earth would be so arrogant as to think their views are beyond reproach. Is that what you think about your own beliefs. Crikey.

I will if you will. My questions have been posted twice on this thread. Please try to answer directly, rather than quoting tropes from the playbook though?