Transgender women and an early state pension.

Smileless2012

I don't doubt that "trans men becoming pregnant can cause issues with gender dysphoria" VS but that doesn't alter the fact that trans men are biologically women because if they weren't, they couldn't become pregnant.

Females can get pregnant, whether they’re claiming to be TM or not.
However, if someone who’s GD compels them to claim to be a man, decides to get pregnant, going against the dictates of her gender claims, that’s almost a self inflicted invitation to have MH problems.

RosiesMaw

I hope I offend nobody especially with MH issues but
Asylum, lunatics, in charge spring to mind

No offence but total agreement!😄

Here is an article that answers some common questions

One of the answers to helping a trans man cope with gender dysphoria in pregnancy is to keep using the correct pronouns

This will help people be less inclined to trigger trans peoples gender dysphoria by knowing that actually, continuing to misgender trans people is a deeply unkind and potentially harmful thing to do

Trans men can and do have children with men and trans women and they are perfectly good people and good parents who deserve some respect

helloclue.com/articles/lgbt/what-it-s-like-to-be-pregnant-as-a-transmasculine-person

Perhaps you could explain what is incorrect about my comment VS.

You'd think so wouldn't you Mollygo if they have gender dysphoria.

Smileless2012

Perhaps you could explain what is incorrect about my comment VS.

You'd think so wouldn't you Mollygo if they have gender dysphoria.

I did, you just need to read it

I'm not disputing that trans men can and have become pregnant and give birth VS, I am merely stating biological fact that they can, because they are biologically women ie adult females.

I don't know why you feel the need to suggest that anyone posting here is suggesting they are not "perfectly good people" and would not make "good parents".

But since only women (AHF) can get pregnant, the correct pronoun is she/her, or you’re asking other people to lie.

If they, and you VS choose to lie to themselves/ yourself and others then that’s your choice.

I’d really like to know whether you/they would agree that others have the right to claim things that aren’t true and expect you to perpetuate their lies?

I wonder what your answer will be?

I don’t see that being trans, lying that you’re a man and you’re pregnant gives you the right to compel others to lie against their will and their knowledge of biological truth.

No you didn't, you said it was incorrect and didn't explain why VS.

Today at 17:07 Smileless

Er no VS. Your response @ 17.07 accused me of being narrow minded which of course I disagree with, not of being incorrect, which I also disagree with.

Smileless2012

Er no VS. Your response @ 17.07 accused me of being narrow minded which of course I disagree with, not of being incorrect, which I also disagree with.

The quoted comment I replied to is the comment of yours which is incorrect Smileless

Actually the information on social transition particularly for young people is not at all clear, there is not enough evidence that it helps and the guidelines currently are not to do it. The information coming out is becoming more and more concerning.
Every single step of the way the information has been incorrect, puberty blockers were harmful, social transition is not a neutral act.

I posted a very helpful Q and A with an actual trans adult man that would be very helpful to people's understanding Galaxy

You posted one persons experience. I am sorry but I view all of it with extreme caution because of the very serious issues that have been present at every step of the way. Evidence based care is very important.

I’m puzzled. How can someone who says things that are biologically incorrect, accuse anyone else of being incorrect about anything?
Is it just me who finds that a puzzle?
I notice there was no response to my question at 17:58.
VS has the right not to reply of course, but it could also be ‘can’t.
Who knows?

Galaxy

You posted one persons experience. I am sorry but I view all of it with extreme caution because of the very serious issues that have been present at every step of the way. Evidence based care is very important.

It's worth listening to actual trans peoples experiences when you want to comment on their lives and are taking risks with their mental health by misgendering them in a public space

No it's not just you Molly it's a conundrum isn't it.

Yes it was a trans man's experience Galaxy and made no reference to gender dysphoria, unless I missed it, which I think I'm being accused of being narrow minded and incorrect about.

There is not a tool you wont use to get people to say the magic words. The misuse of suicide in particular has been one of the most disturbing aspects of this issue.

Smileless2012

No it's not just you Molly it's a conundrum isn't it.

Yes it was a trans man's experience Galaxy and made no reference to gender dysphoria, unless I missed it, which I think I'm being accused of being narrow minded and incorrect about.

It was at the end of the article, you didn't miss it, you just didn't read far enough

Right at the end the article refers to a recognition "that pregnancy as a gender non-conforming trans person may trigger dysphoria" yes that makes sense and was addressed by Molly when she posted If someone whose GD compels them to be a man, decides to get pregnant, going against the dictates of her gender claims, that's almost a self inflicted invitation to have MH problems.

You can be a gender non-conforming trans person and become pregnant, but you have to be a woman. The medical profession can and probably does ask for preferred pronouns, can and as happened this morning refer to pregnant people but should also refer to pregnant women and pregnant trans women.

The use of the term pregnant women should not be eradicated because not all pregnant women wish to be referred too as such.

Galaxy

There is not a tool you wont use to get people to say the magic words. The misuse of suicide in particular has been one of the most disturbing aspects of this issue.

Smileless2012

No it's not just you Molly it's a conundrum isn't it.
Evidently no response from those who do it.

People who think themselves at liberty to discuss a demographic and decide what is or is not right for them could easily show their compassion and concern by learning of the real experiences of trans people...

I posted one example yet it was either one or both of these 2 things

1. Not enough examples
2. Not fully read

This is where I bring up personal responsibility again

VioletSky

Galaxy

You posted one persons experience. I am sorry but I view all of it with extreme caution because of the very serious issues that have been present at every step of the way. Evidence based care is very important.

It's worth listening to actual trans peoples experiences when you want to comment on their lives and are taking risks with their mental health by misgendering them in a public space

I wonder how much attention you paid when Keira Bell was telling her story of transition and then detransition and the awfulness she's endured. She felt deceived that transition would solve her mental health problems, it didn't. Sinead Watson is another detransitioner, who was told transition would solve her problems. It didn't. Their life stories are equally as valid as the one you linked to.

www.persuasion.community/p/keira-bell-my-story

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12366421/The-trans-lobby-pushed-double-masectomy-bitterly-regret-Thats-Costas-advert-dangerous-writes-SINEAD-WATSON-detransitioned-woman-double-mastectomy.html

Unfortunately Sinead's relationship mentioned in the article broke down.

Fortunately I am at liberty to discuss anything I like within the guidelines. I know that is very hard for some people to cope with. Nonetheless it remains the reality.