Should women have equal pay and opportunities?

For posing a question?
Really???

Joins Bluebelle on the head banging wall🤣
Got to be a wind up surely ?

I most definitely was NOT brought up that way. BOTH my parents brought me up to be an independent (in every way) adventuress curious young woman who was just as good as a male, equal in all ways! I’m so shocked 😱😱

My Mum used to voice some outdated ideas.
When I finished school in Portsmouth in 1975 I didn't want to go on to higher education and a degree course.
Mother's comment:
"It'll pass the time for three or four years and you're more likely to meet a man who will earn enough to keep you and a family."

I brought home a recruitment brochure for the WRNS:
"You'll end up married to a sailor and he'll be away half the year."

In the end I gave up, took the line of least resistance and headed off to polytechnic, a place in halls and a grant cheque.
I met my husband, from the north, who was reluctantly there for similar reasons.
We stayed at poly for the first year, then left and have built a good life together in the Midlands.

RosiesMaw

Does OP qualify as GN's oldest member?
She must be at least 150.

😂😂😂😂😂

Oh and in answer to your rather odd question YES YES YES!!!

Does OP have daughters????

Bumface

I really was brought up to believe this garbage and I am not that old.
We may delude ourselves that we have completely moved away from the bad old days, but how do you explain the following:-

Latest figures for average gender pay gap 14.3%.

Schools still run on the assumption that one parent does not have a full-time job. Holiday, before and after school care does exist in most, but not all, schools but it comes at a price.

According to a recent survey women do 80% of the housework.

If children are ill it is almost always the woman who has to stay home from work.

If the house is dirty or the children misbehave the woman is more likely to be blamed.

In broken homes it is still nearly always the women who has custody of the children and it is not unusual for the man to start a new family without a backward glance.

It is still more acceptable for a man to live away from home if his work requires it.

Don't get me started on adverts, though quite a few now show men doing housework.

Andrew Tate and his ilk.

I really didn't mean to stir up a hornets' nest but I am loving your responses. BTW I was born a girl and I still identify as female. I could go on but I need to sort out the washing and dust the living room.

Surveys and statistics are often incorrect or modified.

In my years (14) as a school governor our school never expected only one full time working parent and many of the female staff had families and worked full time. In my daughters schools it’s expected that MOST parents work, both of them.

In the public sector grading ensures men and women doing the same job received exactly the same pay, opportunities and conditions.

In our household I once had a job where I worked away from home Monday to Friday, we had two children at the time, 1 only 1 year old, my husband worked and with my Mum did nursery runs etc.

Yes, undoubtedly there are still more men on boards, more CEOs are male, but this is slowly changing. I know several women, between 40 and 60 who are the higher earners in their families.

Men do far more housework and child care than ever before.

BlueBelle

Oh I wish I had knitted mine

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Goodness!! 😱😱😱

Sorry that was for Mae13

How you were brought up should not have any bearing on how you see things now. We all adapt, change and learn over the years thank goodness!

BlueBelle

Bangs head against wall !!!!

😂

How old are you, Bumface?
Are you our oldest Gransnetter? 🏆

The reason women do all that (and work) is that they are so much better at multitasking than men

(Oops, is that a sexist remark?)

Oreo

FGS, all the spiteful remarks and yet the OP has returned and said what she thinks, sheesh!
As I said on the first page of the thread, many ethnic minorities
Still think the same as the OP’s family from the past, and they live in the UK.

👍as you said so many ethnic groups still think this is the best way, and like to follow tradition.
Pearl Davies (I think) is resurrecting discussions on line if this sort.
A group of women calling themselves Trad wives are getting attention.
The topic is far from old hat, especially for 20 somethings.

Maybe she's from Afghanistan?

Who cares it's just a question

Namsnanny
The OP said:
The man was the breadwinner so his role was to provide the money, discipline the children if necessary and be looked after by the wife. He had the responsibility and the final word when making important decisions affecting the family.

I appreciate that, many years ago, women's pay was not equal to that of men for doing the same job. Even after the Equal Pay Act came into force, there were still ways around it.
Before maternity leave, many women did take time off to bring up young children but most of those did return to the workforce later having lost out on promotions.
So yes, in many instances the man earned more.
I appreciate that wasn't always the case.

But, having a mother who worked, it never occurred to me that I would never return to work as soon as the children were at school. Having a DH who worked away made it difficult so yes, I was chief cook, bottlewasher, nanny, laundress, gardener, chauffeur, the parent who went to school parents' evenings etc. And bin emptier.

Did he discipline the children? Not usually, nor did he make any decisions unilaterally although I had to!

Should women have equal pay and opportunities?

Yes.

Callistemon21 Thanks for your reply. I think I can safely say your memory of life is quite similar to mine.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the op.

Just pointing out that this topic has risen again with the younger age group, so maybe not as contentious as it seems?

Namsnanny

Callistemon21 Thanks for your reply. I think I can safely say your memory of life is quite similar to mine.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the op.

Just pointing out that this topic has risen again with the younger age group, so maybe not as contentious as it seems?

Our three daughters, aged 23, 26 and 40, would all be equally horrified to be considered “unequal” or worse “second best” to men!

I too have seen these “traditional wives” on a documentary, mainly in the USA. It’s horrendous and a retrograde step and it’s not just the children whom the father disciplines, sometimes it’s the wife, and sometimes it’s physical!

A big fat no thank you from me!

Please read what I said carefully before going off on one. Nowhere do I say that women shouldn't have equal opportunities/pay and my statement 'I was brought up to believe' means just that. Please tell me where I state that this is what I believe or even that I have ever believed this. Some of you have written some pretty toxic things about me on this basis.
Yes, I do have a daughter and I am very proud of her, she has a first class degree and works as a graphic designer. She is also the mother of my three lovely grandsons. I continued to work after I was married and though I admire homemaking skills, I have never been much cop at housework.

I was brought up to believe quite a lot of other things some of which were really horrible.

People often react against their upbringing and saying you were brought up to believe certain things does not mean you endorse those beliefs.

I also know quite a few couples who share the housework and childcare and my daughter is friendly with a couple where husband stays at home and the wife, who is a high flying accountant brings in the cash.

I use the handle Bumface because I have a cleft chin and it is my nickname.

Well for one I think you deserve a nicer nickname

It's just a talking point.
A discussion which seems to have touched a nerve, which I'm guessing you hadn't in mind when you posted?

It happens some times, even the spoken word said face to face is hard enough to understand for some of us (me).
Let alone conveying ideas and feelings in writing.

Bumface

Please read what I said carefully before going off on one. Nowhere do I say that women shouldn't have equal opportunities/pay and my statement 'I was brought up to believe' means just that. Please tell me where I state that this is what I believe or even that I have ever believed this. Some of you have written some pretty toxic things about me on this basis.
Yes, I do have a daughter and I am very proud of her, she has a first class degree and works as a graphic designer. She is also the mother of my three lovely grandsons. I continued to work after I was married and though I admire homemaking skills, I have never been much cop at housework.

I was brought up to believe quite a lot of other things some of which were really horrible.

People often react against their upbringing and saying you were brought up to believe certain things does not mean you endorse those beliefs.

I also know quite a few couples who share the housework and childcare and my daughter is friendly with a couple where husband stays at home and the wife, who is a high flying accountant brings in the cash.

I use the handle Bumface because I have a cleft chin and it is my nickname.

I’m sorry, it was never my intention to offend or insult you, you cannot help your upbringing and I just wondered if you had daughters.

Cossy

Namsnanny

Callistemon21 Thanks for your reply. I think I can safely say your memory of life is quite similar to mine.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with the op.

Just pointing out that this topic has risen again with the younger age group, so maybe not as contentious as it seems?

Our three daughters, aged 23, 26 and 40, would all be equally horrified to be considered “unequal” or worse “second best” to men!

I too have seen these “traditional wives” on a documentary, mainly in the USA. It’s horrendous and a retrograde step and it’s not just the children whom the father disciplines, sometimes it’s the wife, and sometimes it’s physical!

A big fat no thank you from me!

It’s horrendous and a retrograde step and it’s not just the children whom the father disciplines, sometimes it’s the wife, and sometimes it’s physical!



Yes, I suppose a good slap or whack with a cane is a good deterrent against an uppity woman who doesn't know her place.

Ye Gods...

women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them

Ye Gods
Bible MissAdventure?
Good link