Should women have equal pay and opportunities?

It's from the Qur'an.

Gn, Learn something new every day Thanks for the explanation.

MissAdventure

women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them

I can't see the second point having much sway though

I was born in 1943 and when I was a school girl I remember coming home and seeing my dad ironing our pleated skirts. He worked shifts and in his spare time he cleaned the house and made meals. Both mum and dad worked so they ran the home together. It was always a partnership and that is what my marriage to my late husband was, a partnership.

Judy54

How you were brought up should not have any bearing on how you see things now. We all adapt, change and learn over the years thank goodness!

Oh how true 🤷‍♀️
I’m with Dickens Re the posters who say my mother/ father/ teacher etc told me never do/ always etc, I want to scream cant you give your own opinions it’s almost as if they have to back up their opinion by quoting their family.

Given that OP clearly omitted to offer the counter argument but now states that is her opinion, the opening post can only be viewed as unduly provocative, vexatious and goady

Namsnanny

MissAdventure

women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them

I can't see the second point having much sway though

I can't see the second point having much sway though

Quite!

Husband: "You have been disloyal and ill-behaved, I shall not sleep with you tonight"

Wife: 😊😊

RosiesMaw

Given that OP clearly omitted to offer the counter argument but now states that is her opinion, the opening post can only be viewed as unduly provocative, vexatious and goady

... and I fell for it.

Another lesson learned.

Cherrytree59

😂
A wind up indeed
So stop arsing around Bumface 😛

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I went to an all girls Grammar school in the 60s and the ethos was very much that we were the equal of men and would all go on to have good careers. At art school we were all treated as equals with equal prospects. I was employed as a graphic designer but my boss changed my contract so that I was employed as a draughtsman and was paid the same as the boys in our office.

My daughter heads a university research team and there's never been any suggestion that a woman shouldn't be doing this. Her husband was in the Navy and does the ironing because he's good at it.

I really thought we'd finished with all this decades ago.

I did not find the OP goady or vexatious, it was to start a discussion. I asked the poster to come back and give her views and she has done that, and it is exactly what I thought it was.
I don't understand the suspicion or why posters choose to take offence.

Agreed rafichagran
It was a provocative entry into a most absorbing discussion.
Seems not everyone wants a discussion.

Namsnanny

MissAdventure

women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them

I can't see the second point having much sway though

😂😂😂

Dickens

Namsnanny

MissAdventure

women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them

I can't see the second point having much sway though

I can't see the second point having much sway though

Quite!

Husband: "You have been disloyal and ill-behaved, I shall not sleep with you tonight"

Wife: 😊😊

Oh thank goodness, I wanted to finish my book anyway!!

Her husband was in the Navy and does the ironing because he's good at it.
Yes, that is one advantage of marrying a Naval man 😃

111 years ago. Bolt thrown through the window of the Newcastle Labour Exchange with a label attached "Equal pay for equal work" from the suffragettes.
Women were employed as clerks there alongside the men.

But did the men do the ironing?

RunaroundSue

I was born in 1943 and when I was a school girl I remember coming home and seeing my dad ironing our pleated skirts. He worked shifts and in his spare time he cleaned the house and made meals. Both mum and dad worked so they ran the home together. It was always a partnership and that is what my marriage to my late husband was, a partnership.

That’s good, but fairly unusual for those times.

What the OP describes is exactly how my parents marriage was for very many years.After Dad died Mum went to work but only to make money.They had a wonderful marriage btw and were very happy.

Oreo

RunaroundSue

I was born in 1943 and when I was a school girl I remember coming home and seeing my dad ironing our pleated skirts. He worked shifts and in his spare time he cleaned the house and made meals. Both mum and dad worked so they ran the home together. It was always a partnership and that is what my marriage to my late husband was, a partnership.

That’s good, but fairly unusual for those times.

I was astonished when we got married that DH didn't clean the oven every week and also my shoes every evening. What a shock!
My father always did that, he could cook too.

What a man! 🤩
Is he still available? I may swap DP 😁

Oreo

What a man! 🤩
Is he still available? I may swap DP 😁

Sadly, no ☹
He'd be over 120 now and probably not up to oven cleaning.

I suspect, Bumface that your initial post is the one that caused such a reaction (and at face value, rightly so) - however subsequent posts of yours have clarified your own thoughts and beliefs - perhaps with hindsight, you should have posted them in the same post? I agree with you that at one time, attitudes were generally the way you describe in your first post, but of course (and thank goodness), these have, for the most part, changed, and people of whatever sex, are valued (of course, not by all, sadly, even this day and age), for what they give to society; and couples (by and large), work together and share roles - as it should be.
There will always be some, unfortunately, who still believe that certain roles belong to certain sexes - all we can hope for is that education and enlightenment will change their views over time.