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Prince Harry will not meet the King during UK visit.

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Urmstongran Tue 07-May-24 14:16:27

Seems a bit harsh? All that way too. He landed in the UK a few hours ago. Without Meghan and the children.

From the Telegraph just now:

“ The Duke of Sussex will not meet the King this week, the Telegraph can reveal.

Prince Harry, 39, landed in London on Tuesday morning and had made no secret of his hopes to see his father during his visit.

But a spokesperson for the Duke said: “In response to the many inquiries and continued speculation on whether or not The Duke will meet with his father while in the UK this week, it unfortunately will not be possible due to His Majesty’s full programme.

“The Duke of course is understanding of his father’s diary of commitments and various other priorities and hopes to see him soon.”

I just think if the King doesn't ’find time’ to see his son then Harry might well just think ‘sod it’ next time/if he comes over.

I know Harry bad mouthed the family in his book ‘Spare’ but still …

What do you think?

Iam64 Sat 11-May-24 08:07:01

Estrangement is always multi layered and painful for everyone. People are quick to judge and ‘take sides’ as is often shown on gransnet estrangement threads. The royal family is ever present in the life of our country, whatever our personal feelings about a monarchy.
Our generation watched the way Charles and his siblings grew up, the car crash that was his first marriage then the tragedy of Diana’s death. The sight of her sons walking behind her coffin is something that is hard to forget.
I can’t find it in my heart to judge, condemn or reject the key people involved in this tragic estrangement.

Anniebach Sat 11-May-24 08:21:24

I don’t read the estrangement threads. I find lies very distressing, people have faced the death penalty because of lies.

nadateturbe Sat 11-May-24 09:28:15

But Maddyone which makes you feel better, forgiving or holding on to anger, resentment etc. God is wiser than us.

Iam64 Sat 11-May-24 09:34:35

I don’t think you’re suggesting the estrangement threads are full of lies Annie?

Joseann Sat 11-May-24 10:01:25

Now, I'm a very visual person, so forgive me if, scanning a few photos today, I notice a guard of honour receiving Harry - like for royalty or for a Head of State??
And then he went somewhere else, 100 miles away, and was sat on a throne??

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 11-May-24 10:03:41

Good grief. That will go down with the wife.

Joseann Sat 11-May-24 10:04:23

Then I love this photo of William drooling over pasties in Cornwall yesterday!

fancythat Sat 11-May-24 10:08:06

maddyone

I was brought up a Methodist and attended church and junior church every Sunday morning and Sunday School on Sunday afternoon. I fully understood the message of forgiveness in the parable but nonetheless I do struggle with the idea of forgiveness when someone truly wrongs you and shows no remorse. We are supposed to turn the other cheek but this is truly difficult when you feel the person who wronged you continues to wrong you and has no remorse. I’m thinking here in particular of my own sister sadly.

Personally, I dont think we are supposed to forgive, in such circumstances.

Accept maybe, but forgiveness i fors after the person doing wrong behaviour, has apologised.

RosiesMaw Sat 11-May-24 10:08:31

Joseann

Now, I'm a very visual person, so forgive me if, scanning a few photos today, I notice a guard of honour receiving Harry - like for royalty or for a Head of State??
And then he went somewhere else, 100 miles away, and was sat on a throne??

Blimey! tcrshock

fancythat Sat 11-May-24 10:09:03

The Bible does say about forgiving 77 times or something.

If a person says sorry, [and means it]forgive.
If a person then does wrong again, and says sorry and means it, forgive again, etc.

Aveline Sat 11-May-24 10:10:13

I loved the BBC report on William's trip to the Scillies. He seemed so happy and relaxed and very friendly. He came over so well and did the Scillies a big favour. Looks gorgeous there.

Callistemon21 Sat 11-May-24 10:10:49

fancythat

The Bible does say about forgiving 77 times or something.

If a person says sorry, [and means it]forgive.
If a person then does wrong again, and says sorry and means it, forgive again, etc.

Could this be the 78th time then?

Callistemon21 Sat 11-May-24 10:11:51

Joseann

Then I love this photo of William drooling over pasties in Cornwall yesterday!

Those pasties do look delicious 😀

Anniebach Sat 11-May-24 10:20:24

Quote Iam64 Sat 11-May-24 09:34:35
I don’t think you’re suggesting the estrangement threads are full of lies Annie?

Gosh no Iam they are so sad. I was speaking of Harry's lies

maddyone Sat 11-May-24 10:20:44

nadateturbe thank you for asking. It’s a difficult and complex situation and therefore it’s difficult to answer in a straight forward way. My sister has mental health issues but apart from depression I’m unsure of the complete diagnosis, but I know she was treated by at the mental health department at the hospital for a protracted time some years ago. Her son, a doctor, thinks she may have one or more Personality Disorders, and he has suggested Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and I’ve wondered about Borderline Personality Disorder, but to be honest, it could be something else, she has never told us. Suffice it to say, she has caused great pain to her family for some forty years. She estranged all of us for some seven years many years ago. None of us knew why, but she hurt our mother so very badly, also her daughter and of course myself. To be honest, she was always ‘different’ and quite cruel even as a child. I’ve wondered if she has ADHD but I’m not a doctor. She’s very complex and can be very cruel. There’s too much to write it all down to be honest. She came back to the family after treatment at the hospital. I was wary at first because I’d been so hurt. I’d had to explain to my eight year old child after she estranged us all because my child asked ‘doesn’t Auntie G……love us anymore?’ Anyway I gradually warmed towards her because of course you never stop loving the person, you just don’t like the behaviour. I supported her a lot when her husband sadly died, but after that she gradually became more cruel again. She was especially cruel to our elderly mother, often refusing to speak to her for several weeks at a time, and saying unbelievably cruel things to her. She also started being unpleasant to me again and she estranged her daughter and grandchildren, and eventually estranged one of her sons too. She has little to do with another son as well. She tells horrible lies about us all, including me, in particular after our mother died. She said I stole things and wouldn’t share the estate properly. She was nasty on the phone to me and even told the solicitor (he understood her pretty quickly) lies about me. I had held out the olive branch to her when mum was dying and she accepted it and stayed with me but as soon as she returned home there were further vile accusations. The same with her daughter who had brought her because there was a train strike. In the end my husband said to me I could have a relationship with her and accept she would upset me often, or I could think I don’t need this trauma in my life because she’ll never change and it’s too hurtful to me. I chose the latter and no longer communicate with her. I still care for her, she’s my only sibling but I accept the impossibility of having a relationship with her that is healthy and mutually beneficial.

I’m sorry it’s so long, and it’s very much a potted version. So I can’t say that forgiving would be helpful as I’ve already forgiven several times. Likewise her daughter who I love and have a lovely relationship with. My mother always forgave her and yet only a few weeks before mum’s death, she stopped speaking to her for three weeks. I felt so hurt on mum’s behalf at that. It was because my daughter visited from New Zealand and mum was so happy as she thought she’d never see my daughter again. It was indeed the last time she saw my daughter.

maddyone Sat 11-May-24 10:29:22

I’m sorry that was so long, but as you see, these things are difficult and painful. It’s the first time I’ve written it down in such a long version, and yet it barely touches the surface.

So I think it’s probably equally difficult for Harry’s family, especially as it’s all played out in public. And for Meghan’s family too, also in the public eye. It’s hard to talk about these things and I know how hurt as I was when my sister told lies about me. I can’t say they should forgive and I can’t say they shouldn’t. They have to do what they feel is best for them.

nanna8 Sat 11-May-24 10:30:52

Thank you maddyone for trusting us with that information. Mental illness has touched many of us ( me included) and to know that there are others out there with similar issues is ,not good, but stops you feeling you are the only one. With us it is one of our son in laws. He is so cruel and has cut my daughter off from her sisters . I try not to hate him because I know he is not normal but it is hard.

Anniebach Sat 11-May-24 10:37:45

maddy you have tried to understand your sister’s behaviour,
I see this as forgiveness, you cannot keep opening yourself to
more hurt, if the hurt was physical attacks you couldn’t so no
different

nadateturbe Sat 11-May-24 10:54:56

I have read your sad post Maddyone. This is a short answer as I'm just heading out, but I didn't want to ignore. You have clearly forgiven your sister and are just protecting your own health. I don't think you could do any more. You have tried so hard, more than many of us could. 💐

fancythat Sat 11-May-24 10:59:23

maddyone I know someone who sounds a bit like your sister. To such an extent I did take notice of the Aunty G bit[the person I know is not G].

The person I know, seems to me to be part narcisstic, if there can be such a thing. She had 6 or 8 traits of it, out of 10, when I did a bit of a goo gle.

I am fortunate in that I only need to spend limited time with her[volunteer type setting].

Sadly, I look upon her as being ill.
Personally, I stay out of her way as much as I am able, be nice to her, and dont bother with the forgiveness part any more, as I dont think she is a well person.

fancythat Sat 11-May-24 11:01:03

By that, I partly mean, I am not sure what she can help or control. So I dont know what would be classed as her fault.

Calendargirl Sat 11-May-24 11:02:39

Joseann

Then I love this photo of William drooling over pasties in Cornwall yesterday!

I read that he bought pasties for his entourage.

JdotJ Sat 11-May-24 11:12:09

MissAdventure

I think its Meghan's fault.
I haven't worked out how, yet, but I will.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Grantanow Sat 11-May-24 11:13:06

Perhaps they could become K and Q of Nigeria and stay there.

sandelf Sat 11-May-24 11:13:32

Anywhere, whenever - but never without witnesses and video/sound. They lie.