Another missing poster

There are some good forums out there as well as MN.
Marydoll I just won’t read eight pages of waffle but have been assured that Callistemon has been banned, but now you say that isn’t so?I need a lie down.

Have you forgotten former Labour MP Tracy Brabin?
No, I remember. Another woman getting treated in a way men are not.

I also remember Theresa May getting a lot of sniggers about her choice of footwear and big, chunky necklaces.
More of the same, but less sexual, and more about the styles. I liked her necklaces, but thought her trousers always looked too short, for what that's worth. Nobody suggested TM was a tart though, although it was implicit in some of the comments about (the Northern, working class) Tracy Brabin.

Male politicians have a 'uniform' of suit, shirt & tie.
That makes things much easier, tho boring, for them.

I just wish that all of the petty reporting would stop and we, as experienced adults could be left to judge for ourselves and challenge those who are rude or downright out of order.
I’d like to see all posters return and those who have GNHQ on speed dial reprimanded.

NittWitt

Male politicians have a 'uniform' of suit, shirt & tie.
That makes things much easier, tho boring, for them.

Yes. I think TM tired to copy that, but feminise it with the necklaces and shoes. It doesn't matter what women do, though. Other women will criticise their taste, their looks, their personal lives, their families - anything rather than see them as successful professional women who may well have done better than their critics, often in the face of difficult circumstances.

I actually think Nicola Sturgeon's stylist got it right for her as First Minister, with outfits of jacket + skirt/trousers in solid colours.

Oreo

Why on earth is this a third thread about missing posters?🤔

I suppose because people want to post about it. I have just looked at Gransnet. Petra are you saying equating someone to a tart is alright then. It is not however much you try to dress it up.

Tarty is a (mainly working class) adjective which was often thrown about in my native Liverpol when I was younger. I dont know if this is still the case as its 40 years since I lived there. The equivalent insult for a male was to call him a "prick" which carries both sexual and social class connotations. "Oik" and "twat" were two others.

Those male insults don't pertain to a mans sexual values where I come from.
There isn't a male version, except "man whore", and doesn't that just sound wonderful?
Yet people think its acceptable to fling it around about Rayner.

biglouis

Tarty is a (mainly working class) adjective which was often thrown about in my native Liverpol when I was younger. I dont know if this is still the case as its 40 years since I lived there. The equivalent insult for a male was to call him a "prick" which carries both sexual and social class connotations. "Oik" and "twat" were two others.

Nellie Boswell used to call Lilo Lil a 'taaaart', in Bread .
I agree it's not an insult that does the insulter any favours.

I disagree that your other examples are the same though. 'Oik' is a snobbish term for state school pupils, I believe. I dare say it is/was more often used against men and boys, as in the days when it was current more males than females were educated. 'Prick' is relatively mild, and just means the same as 'prat' or 'pillock' - it's not the male equivalent of 'tart', as it doesn't have sexual connotations despite its alternative meaning, and anyway those connotations are far less derogatory when applied to a man.

'Twat' is another word that shows the disdain some have for women - much like the 'C word' which uses the female sexual anatomy as the worst thing someone can be called. I know that is different in parts of Scotland, though.

MissAdventure

Those male insults don't pertain to a mans sexual values where I come from.
There isn't a male version, except "man whore", and doesn't that just sound wonderful?
Yet people think its acceptable to fling it around about Rayner.

That's what I was trying to say

I don’t think Raynor’s attire if a trouser suit was stereotypically tarty though and that’s where the problem lay as there were further comments about illegitimate children and so on with the implication of having no class.

The working class need representation in parliament, AR is just one of those people 🤷‍♀️

How has this thread gone from missing posters to this? 🤔

It always does. I think if Gransnet just answered the questions it wouldn’t continue but they don’t seem that bothered 🤷‍♀️

Don't worry, I'm sure someone will start another thread on missing posters soon.

MissAdventure

Don't worry, I'm sure someone will start another thread on missing posters soon.

Doodledog I have heard similar words used using the male genitalia as insults. So not just women but in all other respects women do have a worse time. Even now women are the worst critics of other women.

Thank you GrannyGravy13 I’m pleased Callistemon isn’t banned.

Nellie Boswell used to call Lilo Lil a 'taaaart', in Bread

Has anyone noticed that Aveline from Bread is now Nurse Clinical Lead in Casualty?
(Sorry, off-topic, well).

Doodledog

MissAdventure

Those male insults don't pertain to a mans sexual values where I come from.
There isn't a male version, except "man whore", and doesn't that just sound wonderful?
Yet people think its acceptable to fling it around about Rayner.

That's what I was trying to say

Gigolo?
But that sounds rather glamorous.

Women are always reduced to their appearance, always

It doesn’t matter who they are, where they are from, what they’ve achieved, what they lived through. All that matters is what they look like and what they are wearing.

JaneJudge

It always does. I think if Gransnet just answered the questions it wouldn’t continue but they don’t seem that bothered 🤷‍♀️

I agree that it was the idea of having a working class woman in power that caused so much of the fury. For some, a woman from a council estate with O levels having a better job than someone with professional qualifications is against the natural order of things. Having such a woman in a position of power over them is simply unconscionable.

I also agree that deleting threads is a bit pointless, particularly when we are only told in the vaguest of terms why they have gone. People want to have their say, plus we can't see what's already been said if it's been deleted.

OTOH, if HQ got involved in discussions they would go on forever, and they won't want to go into detail if there is a backstory to any of the bannings, so I understand. In their shoes I would probably just wait till everyone is bored with it all and it fizzles out.

Allira

^Nellie Boswell used to call Lilo Lil a 'taaaart', in Bread^

Has anyone noticed that Aveline from Bread is now Nurse Clinical Lead in Casualty?
(Sorry, off-topic, well).

Is that an old Casualty?

Aveline/Gilly Coman died in 2010.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-10655320

It's Melanie Hill, ixion
She was also Aveline