Dog walker attacked in park

Now I hear that last Friday a pregnant woman suffered a miscarriage and lost her baby after being knocked off a bench by teenagers whilst waiting for a bus in East Lothian.

Crossly not grossly

Chestnut

Now I hear that last Friday a pregnant woman suffered a miscarriage and lost her baby after being knocked off a bench by teenagers whilst waiting for a bus in East Lothian.

Where did you get this info from?

I think repeated exposure to violent behaviour via social media and film is a contributory factor, coupled with appalling parenting and lack of sanctions at schools, which is the only contact these feral youngsters have with responsible adults.

On a lesser note I have watched over the past week, Sherwood,Grace and The Tower, all unsettling 'murder mysteries' which make violence appear commonplace. I doubt if feral teenagers watch these as they can access far worse material, but is it necessary to have the constant focus on violent behaviour for entertainment? Is it in response to public demand?

theblackmansanswer there are lots of reports online from various newspapers.

www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/24560399.pregnant-woman-loses-baby-tranent-high-street-assault/

I agree Eazybee, so many programmes are following this theme. Whether any young perpetrators watch them or not, making so many programmes about this type of thing suggests and possibly accepts this as the norm. It’s so depressing, I really can’t understand why the writers want to make these or the people who decide what should be made or shown on tv think it’s enjoyable entertainment

I worked in childcare from the 80s. Working in nurseries and schools with under 8s and loved it. In 2018 I decided to apply to become a childminder after a 2 year break from childcare. During one of my home visits I was told I couldn't say "no" to a child or use the time out method. I started caring for 2 boys aged 8 and 2 in May, by August I just couldn't continue. The older boy had been to 3 childminders before me, 2 afterschool clubs.
It's quite worrying how are children going to learn right from wrong if teachers,carers, parents can't say no or discipline them now?
Scary times

Ziggy62 At first we were told not to reprimand them in any way, now we are frightened of the out-of-control young people some of them have become.

If we watch the animal world, we see the parents allow freedom but also use discipline.

This gentle kind man had osteoporosis including in his neck, and the suggestion is kicking that area (and others) contributed to his death. He had complained to police about racist abuse by a group of young teenagers, including throwing stones meant to prevent cars parking on grass. Neighbours say this had become an issue in recent weeks (DMail)

I don’t believe the lack of corporal punishment or smacking/belting is a factor in this kind of disgusting behaviour. Look at the adults we saw rioting recently, role models for our children? Racism, violence to our police and emergency services demonstrated on our t.v every night recently. In addition, many of these children get regular good hidings from angry parents, many of whom consume excess alcohol and/or illegal substances in full knowledge of their children.
We have a societal problem with drugs/alcohol/low expectations of behaviour in some, not the majority of our people

Poor man, and his family
It’s a group of children acting as a mob I think.One child or even two would probably not have acted this brutal way.

eazybee

I think repeated exposure to violent behaviour via social media and film is a contributory factor, coupled with appalling parenting and lack of sanctions at schools, which is the only contact these feral youngsters have with responsible adults.

On a lesser note I have watched over the past week, Sherwood,Grace and The Tower, all unsettling 'murder mysteries' which make violence appear commonplace. I doubt if feral teenagers watch these as they can access far worse material, but is it necessary to have the constant focus on violent behaviour for entertainment? Is it in response to public demand?

I totally agree.
I am getting very tired of these violent cop shows constantly shoved at us in the name of entertainment.
Grace, on Sunday. featured a fatally beaten up elderly woman. Now, the story could have been advanced without this awful violence, so it is there just to titillate; a cheap ploy to sell the programme.

I saw it in the newspaper this morning, two high school boys pushed a pregnant woman off the bench in the bus shelter and she lost her baby. When they find them they should be charged with murder. There should be cameras around showing them when they left the bus shelter.

It also showed on the tv news this morning that a policeman stopped a man suspected of possessing drugs and when he was searchhed they found drugs and a machete in his bag. He received a 38 week prison sentence. 38 weeks. The justice system is a joke.

One pregnant woman and several children drowned in the channel the other day.

Response on GN seems relative.

I have given up watching the current crop of TV series. They are all about violence and murder. We used to have much more variety and also period dramas, I can think of so many from the past. I would never be short of things to watch, but now I rarely watch BBC or ITV these days. Instead I'm looking through the old stuff on Amazon Freevee and other channels.

Just to add, youngsters won't be looking through old stuff, instead they will be seeing all the gruesome programmes being made now, and there are some really bad ones. I try and keep up to date with what's going on and am just horrified. For instance, there is a slasher film called Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey. Just one example of the way things are going now.

Allira

Ziggy62 At first we were told not to reprimand them in any way, now we are frightened of the out-of-control young people some of them have become.

If we watch the animal world, we see the parents allow freedom but also use discipline.

The only friend my daughter had that used to hit other people was the only one ( that we know of anyway) that used to be hit by her stepfather.

All that hitting a child does is show them that it’s ok to hit other people.

Very sad indeed for all concerned. I suspect the attackers have nothing to do with their grandparents and had no idea that a slightly built 80 year old can easily die from a blow or a fall.

Gin

It is quite unbelievable isn’t it? I have just this moment read the story out to my OH. What on earth have these children been watching to turn into such monsters and what will the parents be thinking? It is quite beyond belief.

I too believe there is far too much violence used as entertainment in films, video-games and so on. However, I am fairly certain that the main problem is that children are allowed to watch films, TV, play computer games without adult supervision, and many schools and parents seem to make no real effort to teach children any form of ethics or moral standards.

We are not born knowing how to treat others with consideration, after all. A new-born child's instincts are purely about survival - we teach our children to be less self-centred while they are growng up.

If we don't teach them this sucessfully, they will in many cases never learn to share or show other forms of consideration towards others.

So we need to start a debate about how children are being brought up. It is basically not a matter of youth clubs being closed, schools having less money to work with, or children being bored, but about what amount of adult supervision and interaction with children we deem necessary for children to grow up as healthy, kind and likeable individuals with a sense of responsiblity to the society they live in.

I pity schools having to address so many failings in modern life.

Yes it needs a debate.

Dangerous dogs, dangerous kids or anyone dangerous to others needs to have appropriate action.

Is this a British problem? On public transport in Italy I was twice offered a seat from a young person. I think many countries have a stronger sense of family and therefore better respect for grandparents than us.

MayBee70

All that hitting a child does is show them that it’s ok to hit other people.

Absolute agreement.
What the answer is though, I have no idea.
That poor man, it is terribly sad.

Lots of current parents are evidently irresponsible and that reflects their own upbringing in the 60s and after when many social restraints were reduced.

because of their age, they probably will not be named if they are found guilty of this abhorrent crime, sorry but i think they and their parents should be named

spabbygirl

closing youth clubs and sure start centres by the last gov't was a big mistake.

I imagine having nothing to do all day would have contributed not that that makes it excusable.

100 agree