Labour has come under fire after refusing to hold a public inquiry into historic sexual abuse by grooming gangs in Oldham.

GrannyGravy13

Wyllow3

I think this thread should be about all grooming and how badly it's been dealt with GG13, after all the huge majority has been by white men. Why pick on gangs of Asian origin only?

Why can we not discuss the grooming, rape and abuse of white vulnerable female children by Asian men?

After all it is the subject of the OP.

I am out now with family for GC birthday, I will leave you to it.

That is why it was never dealt with properly in the first place. Fears of the police etc of being accused of racism.

And this is a national, not a local issue. No local authority can be trusted to expose its own employees for their collaboration with the criminals in this case.

Wyllow03 your comment illustrates nicely why the Asian men in the Rochdale, Oxford and other areas were treated with kid gloves since you appear to think that the ‘huge majority’ are only gangs of white groomers.Since the UK is overwhelmingly a white population there are going to be many more individuals who are white and indulging in this dreadful grooming of children.Large numbers of men with Asian heritage backgrounds have been found to be doing this but in the past not gone after in the same way as the white groomers for fear of racial tensions, so they got an easy ride and went on committing these horrible acts.

Anne Cryer was always a shining example of a conviction politician who put herself in the firing line, labelled a racist and a liar, but continued her fight for justice. Her constituents were lucky to have her. We live in an age of so many lightweight, career politicians, sometimes we need to remind ourselves of those who went into politics for all the right reasons.

Yes we need people with courage who will have difficult conversations.

Ilovecheese

People who wanted Brexit in order to "take back control " and "sovereignty " seem to be the same people who are very relaxed about some American car salesman interfering in the running of our country. I don't understand why.

Wrong!!!
I know the people on this thread who voted for Brexit.
They are not all supporting Musk’s comments.
And why the sneary remark about car salesmen. 🤷‍♀️

TerriBull

Anne Cryer was always a shining example of a conviction politician who put herself in the firing line, labelled a racist and a liar, but continued her fight for justice. Her constituents were lucky to have her. We live in an age of so many lightweight, career politicians, sometimes we need to remind ourselves of those who went into politics for all the right reasons.

How true 👏👏👏

The statistics give the figures of ethnic backgrounds of perpetrators.

I'm not going to make any excuses for delays in prosecution due to fears of racial tensions since I agree and everyone here has made it clear its wrong.

But I am pointing out that campaigners have noted its been also very difficult and inadequate to prosecute gangs of all backgrounds,

and that victim blaming and lack of understanding and slow to act and lack of resources of trained police forces people who are have also been across the board ethnically and carried on longer than we now would accept.

Now that police and other agencies are aware and acting on these issues both he racial element and prosecuting gang rape in general

and very in depth inquiries already held and recommendations already made by very well respected figures I do not see why further inquiries would add anything to making things better.

Spend the money and time on "yet another enquiry" on strengthening the agencies which support the vulnerable.

It's none of that little toe rag Musk's business. He's firmly cosied up to Trump at the moment, and he's trying to destabilise other governments and promoting the Neo-Nazi movement in Germany. He and his money can go to hell. Though he's already given some to Reform. Piece of s..t.

So you are saying that you are willing to put up with the interference in the way we run our own country because NigelnFarage is given money.

Hopefully MAGA will get him and put him out of everybody's misery.

wibblywobblywobblebottom

It's none of that little toe rag Musk's business. He's firmly cosied up to Trump at the moment, and he's trying to destabilise other governments and promoting the Neo-Nazi movement in Germany. He and his money can go to hell. Though he's already given some to Reform. Piece of s..t.

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I agree.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And this is a national, not a local issue. No local authority can be trusted to expose its own employees for their collaboration with the criminals in this case.

You simply can’t be suggesting that social workers tasked with jointly investigating child sexual exploitation would lose their moral compass for fear of upsetting the Muslim community in their area?
Many hard working sensible dedicated workers did all they could to protect children. To challenge management and senior police officers about the need for a dedicated team to do this difficult work.

Not all in every occupation are free from criticism

J52

“Kemi Badenoch, the Conservative leader, said a full national inquiry into rape gangs was “long overdue”. “

so why didn’t her Government do something about it?

Elon Musk should keep his opinions to himself and concentrate on the safety of his cars.

Exactly this ^

Remember this from the Home Office?
www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem

Iam64

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And this is a national, not a local issue. No local authority can be trusted to expose its own employees for their collaboration with the criminals in this case.

You simply can’t be suggesting that social workers tasked with jointly investigating child sexual exploitation would lose their moral compass for fear of upsetting the Muslim community in their area?
Many hard working sensible dedicated workers did all they could to protect children. To challenge management and senior police officers about the need for a dedicated team to do this difficult work.

I suppose there must be Muslim social workers? Just as there is a Muslim MP?

Yes Casdon and its worth looking at this grooming gang too:

The notorious massive Walsall gangs cases took 6 years to bring to justice from 2017 to 2023 and the offences had taken place over 10 years to 2017. Recall it?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/apr/05/twenty-one-convicted-in-west-midlands-child-sexual-abuse-inquiry

It changed the way Walsall responded to child abuse of this sort.

What evidence have we got that Oldham and Rochdale have not now changed their practice after lessons learnt? There might be a case for an enquiry of lessons had new grooming occurred and not been tackled.

What was the point of spending over £143,505,910 on the 2022 Independent Inquiry on Child Sexual Abuse (which included organised networks) if we ignore its findings and ask for more "inquiries".

(Yes Jeanathome there are, if you google on all aspects of it. its not straightforward as some experience aspects of Islamaphobia but OTOH are welcomed as offering what others cannot).

If there is a predominance of sexual predatory behaviour within any organisation or culture, then we should be able to talk about it without being accused of any 'isms' or prejudice, if the motivation for the debate is a genuine concern for children and young people - girls, and boys. Apart from their own parents, we are also their protectors, as a society, in the same way that we are the protectors of the elderly, sick, disabled, and other vulnerable individuals.

Acknowledging the abuse within the Catholic church establishment does not mean that every Catholic is an abuser. Recognising a culture of abuse committed by a cohort of Pakistani men does not mean that every man from Pakistan is a rapist.

There are 'white' so-called grooming gangs, there are instances of sexual and physical abuse within our 'care' institutions. The connection between all of them is, primarily, men.

But not all men, whatever their origins, or wherever they work or abide, are sexual predators. So we need to look at what circumstance / culture / thought-process leads to this depravity.

If the debate is solely for the purpose of political point-scoring, then I'm personally not interested. Most of us on here are either Right, Left or Centre, and when it comes down to the parties that represent us, I don't believe that the average MP or party leader, whether it be Tory, Labour or Reform, does not condemn sexual abuse of young people.

How they do, or might propose, to deal with it is another matter, and that's what we should discuss and, in doing so, might reveal their motivation.

As for Musk, I simply cannot believe that he is altruistically concerned about the young girls and women who were abused in Rochdale / Rotherham, etc. It is a scandal. Evidence of the abuse was first noted in the 90s.

So why now? Why not in 2010 when the first group conviction took place? Why not between 2010 and now?

I believe his interest is purely political. He has the right to an opinion, but I'm not interested in it because I really do think it's politically motivated.

... and that will do very little to get to the root of the problem.

Just a little research into Musk's tweets / re-posts / comments should tell you that he is no champion of women's rights. His comment to Taylor Swift was little more than a sophisticated assertion of misogynistic male dominance. And for that reason, I do not see him as an advocate for sexually-abused girls and young women.

Yes Dickens yes , thank you

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Dickens

Excellent post as always dickens

Witzend

Whatever the rights and wrongs, I firmly believe that Elon Musk should keep his nose out of our affairs!

Well said!