The NHS will test all children who believe they are transgender for autism under new plans seen by The Telegraph.

7 years of medical school and they still haven't grasped O level biology eazybee; terrifying when you think about it.

What concerns me is the motion passed by the BMA resident doctors, (formerly junior doctors, representing possibly 50,000 doctors in training,) concerning the judgement passed by the Supreme Court ruling that transwomen are not legally women, nor transmen legally men.
They called the ruling 'biologically nonsensical' and claimed a binary divide between sex and gender has no basis in science or medicine while being actively harmful to transgender and gender- diverse people. . It condemns 'scientifically illiterate rulings from the Supreme court, made without consulting relevant experts and stakeholders that will cause real world harm to the trans, non-binary and intersex communities in this country.'
So even though it is the law they will reject it as they sought to do with the Cass Review last summer.
It worries me that these doctors may well be the ones conducting examinations on children to identify possible autism.

Mollygo Can I please ask you, do you understand what virtue signalling means?

I never have to avoid people I disagree with
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I never have to avoid people I disagree with who can be accountable and apologise, they would be welcome in my own living room to discuss a topic with me and quite often are. I have never felt I had to agree with someone to have a positive relationship with them.

Sorry. Pressed send too quickly.
You’d be amazed how many people share the same view.
The problem is always that opinions sometimes differ on what requires an apology and what people should be accountable for.
Don't you think, always avoiding situations or people you disagree with in any area of life instead of facing up to them is sometimes taking the cowards way out?

Luminance

I'm going to be rather abrupt and say, that those who cannot apologise or be accountable should be avoided in every area of life.

That’s OK Luminance.
I’ve heard that sort of vs before.

I'm going to be rather abrupt and say, that those who cannot apologise or be accountable should be avoided in every area of life.

OK obviously you can request anything you like.
If you have concerns you can report via the usual system.

Hi everyone, I wanted to take a moment to address a situation that has arisen in our discussion, regarding the comments about "hate speech." This was quite an extreme accusation which proved to be unsubstantiated and untrue.

I believe we all want a constructive environment. I want, with respect, to request an acknowledgment regarding the accusations. I feel it's vital that we communicate openly even when our viewpoints differ.

I value the opinions within our group and believe that addressing misunderstandings can help us grow stronger as a community.

Thank you for reading.

Comorbidity doesn't necessarily mean caused by. We cannot look at a condition like autism and expect to see identical issues in every person and until more research is done the same is true of gender dysphoria.

PoliticsNerd

What did I say that made you think I was trying to close you down Mollygo?

The same as you said about me closing discussions down.

I enjoy my views being challenged so afraid you have got that wrong. I am not sure exactly what you want cleared up, so can't really help you with that.
Returning to the discussion as these spats tend to distract from that. I would have thought that people would be relieved that someone, anyone is looking at the possible link between autism and gender dysphoria. There have been significant failures with regards to the long term follow up of young people presenting with gender dysphoria, it would be very reassuring if that was to change.

Galaxy, it seems there was a misunderstanding when you accused me of labeling our discussions as "hate speech", saying firstly that it was on here, five minutes before you posted. When I attempted to clarify you moved it to one of the other threads. If it were true it would be irrelevant to this thread but, in fact, it too is untrue and unsubstantiated.

I do understand that you don't like your views challenged. However, this kind of comment does not help the discussion. I would appreciate it if we could clear this up, as it's important to me that we all maintain a respectful and open line of communication.

Galaxy

It depends what you mean by support Luminance, the NHS has moved away from the affirmation model since the Cass report.
We can't tell children they can change sex because it isn't true, as far as I am aware that was always part of the discussions undertaken by medical professionals, with adults anyway.

Support, listening, empathising, acknowledging that they are going through something whether we understand it or not. Many children are in therapy and there are a lot of ways it is safe for children to express gender without being told anything about sex. Imagine what it feels like to go through puberty and changes you don't want. Children can be absolutely distraught. It needs specialist help, no amount of internet discussion will make gender dysphoria any easier to live with.

PoliticsNerd

That's exactly why I appreciated it *LizzyDrip"

That's exactly why I appreciated it *LizzyDrip"

PoliticsNerd

Allira there was nothing that could be done at that time. However, my post wasn't about spina bifida, per se. It was about the changes in knowledge - changes yet to come. I apologise if I didn't make that clear. It is, as you may imagine, a difficult topic for me.

I do understand.

It depends what you mean by support Luminance, the NHS has moved away from the affirmation model since the Cass report.
We can't tell children they can change sex because it isn't true, as far as I am aware that was always part of the discussions undertaken by medical professionals, with adults anyway.

That was to Politics Nerd.

Just stating the truth regarding what was said.

It was on one of the other threads PN on this issue, you then worried about GNs responsibilities in this area.

Thanks LizzieDrip.

Gender dysphoria is not a mental health issue, it may lead to mental health issues though. The focus does therefore need to be support and it does need to be specialised. There also needs to be more research done into the causes of gender dysphoria, the link to being neurodivergent isn't true in all cases. There is scientific evidence of a biological reason for gender dysphoria in some cases and this needs to be properly explored. Telling a young person "you can't change sex" is about as useful as telling someone suffering in any way to "get over it". Rather simply, people cannot simply get better to alleviate others discomfort.

What did I say that made you think I was trying to close you down Mollygo?