Underachievement of white boys

David, it seems that women teachers are the problem, in your view. Women have been in classrooms for over a century and a half, even back in those halcyon days when you were at school, and there were jobs for the boys, trade schools, etc etc.
So why were these women doing an ok job then, and not now - maybe it's some other factors..
And I do agree with the poster who described her terror of her nuns.
I went to a small grammar school for girls, and several of our women teachers could have quelled a riot and stopped a runaway horse with a withering glance.
Conversely I must confess to being part of the group that sometimes reduced our male English teacher to tears, and leaving the room: sorry, Mr G..

𝗪𝘆𝗹𝗹𝗼𝘄𝟯 𝗦𝘂𝗻 𝟮𝟰-𝗔𝘂𝗴-𝟮𝟱 𝟮𝟯:𝟯𝟴:𝟯𝟮
𝗔𝗻𝗱 𝗝𝗼𝗵𝗻𝗻𝘆𝗠𝗼, 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗚𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘀𝗻𝗲𝘁 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝟯/𝟰 𝗱𝗮𝘆𝘀 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 (𝘂𝗻𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘀 𝗶𝘀 𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗴𝘂𝗶𝘀𝗲)

𝘠𝘦𝘴 𝘐 𝘢𝘮 𝘯𝘦𝘸, 𝘐𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘔 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘪𝘴𝘯’𝘵 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘤𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘮𝘣𝘦𝘳

𝗜𝘀 𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝗲, 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲 𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗿𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗼𝗿, 𝗶𝗺𝗼, 𝗳𝗮𝗶𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗼𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗼𝗹𝗲 𝗽𝗶𝘁𝗰𝗵 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗱
𝘉𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘦. 𝘐𝘧 𝘐’𝘥 𝘵𝘢𝘬𝘦𝘯 𝘮𝘺 𝘧𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘦 𝘢𝘵 16, 𝘣𝘺 20 𝘐 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘶𝘯𝘴𝘬𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥, 𝘶𝘯𝘦𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘰𝘺𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘯𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘯 𝘵𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘥𝘦𝘤𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘦. 𝘉𝘶𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘨𝘰𝘥 𝘨𝘰𝘦𝘴 𝘮𝘦, 𝘰𝘳 𝘣𝘺 𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘮𝘺 𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘴/𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘥-𝘴𝘰𝘯, 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘥𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘦𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵.

I𝙩'𝙨 𝙢𝙮 𝙤𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙝𝙞𝙨/𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙥𝙤𝙨𝙩𝙨 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙨𝙤𝙖𝙠𝙚𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙤𝙣𝙡𝙮 𝙞𝙣 𝙢𝙞𝙨𝙤𝙜𝙮𝙣𝙮 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙖𝙡𝙨𝙤 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙙 𝙤𝙛 𝙞𝙣𝙖𝙙𝙚𝙦𝙪𝙖𝙘𝙮 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙙𝙧𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙨 𝙨𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙢𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙤 𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙖𝙘𝙠 𝙬𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙣, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙣 𝙖 𝙨𝙪𝙗𝙩𝙡𝙚 𝙬𝙖𝙮
𝘐 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘳.

𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗿𝗮𝘆𝗮𝗹 𝗼𝗳 "𝗽𝗼𝗼𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗹𝗮𝘀𝘀 𝗺𝗲𝗻, 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗴𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗿𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻" 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲 𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗻𝗲𝗱 𝗼𝗻 𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝗱.
𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘰, 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘐 𝘨𝘦𝘵 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘶𝘭𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘢𝘭.

𝗢𝗯𝘃𝗶𝗼𝘂𝘀𝗹𝘆 𝘄𝗲 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗹𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝘀𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗶𝗹𝗲𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 "𝗶𝗻𝘃𝗮𝗱𝗲" 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗼𝗿𝘆.

𝗕𝘂𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗼𝗳 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗰𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗴𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝗼𝘄𝗻 𝗰𝗹𝗮𝘀𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲 - 𝗾𝘂𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝘀𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗹𝘆 ...

𝗧𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲 "𝗶𝗻 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗹, 𝗶𝗻 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗴𝗲" 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀 𝗴𝗼𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗿 𝗴𝗼𝗻𝗲. 𝗧𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗯𝗼𝘂𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘆, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗶𝘁'𝘀 𝗮 𝘁𝗵𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝗶𝘁 𝗶𝘀𝗻'𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲.
𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 3 𝘥𝘢𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘴, 2 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘥𝘰𝘤𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴 ( 1 𝘰𝘧 𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩 𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘵) 𝘴𝘰 𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘯𝘰 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘮 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘸𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯

(𝗬𝗼𝘂'𝗹𝗹 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗽𝗮𝘆 𝗺𝗼𝗿𝗲, 𝗾𝘂𝗶𝘁𝗲 𝘀𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗹𝘆.... 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘀)
𝘜𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 40 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘯 𝘸𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘯 𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘮𝘦𝘯, 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘺 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘮𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘥𝘪𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘶𝘦.

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𝗬𝗲𝘀, 𝗮𝘁 𝗮 𝗽𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹 𝗹𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹 𝘄𝗲 𝗻𝗲𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸 𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝘃𝗶𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘂𝗻𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗯𝗼𝘁𝗵 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝗳 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘀𝗲 𝘄𝗲 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘄 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗮𝘄𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗹𝘂𝗱𝗲𝘀 𝗲𝗺𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗼𝗿 𝗠𝗛 𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝘁𝗼𝗼.
𝘈𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘦

𝗦𝗼..𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗯𝗹𝗲𝗺𝘀 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗮 𝗻𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝗲𝗻? 𝗪𝗵𝘆 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗱𝗼𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗮𝗯𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗿𝘀, 𝗻𝗲𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗹 𝗮𝘁 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗰𝗼𝘀𝘁?
& 𝗐𝗈𝗆𝖾𝗇, 𝖺 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗋𝖽 𝗈𝖿 𝗏𝗂𝖼𝗍𝗂𝗆 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗆𝖾𝗇, 𝖺 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗋𝖽 𝗈𝖿 𝗉𝖾𝗋𝗉𝗍𝗋𝖺𝗍𝗈𝗋𝗌 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗐𝗈𝗆𝖾𝗇. 𝖣𝗈𝗆𝖾𝗌𝗍𝗂𝖼 𝖠𝖻𝗎𝗌𝖾 𝗂𝗌 𝗇𝗈𝗍 𝖺 𝗈𝗇𝖾 𝗐𝖺𝗒 𝗌𝗍𝗋𝖾𝖾𝗍. 𝖨 𝖺𝖼𝖼𝖾𝗉𝗍 𝗒𝗈𝗎 𝖺𝖼𝗄𝗇𝗈𝗐𝗅𝖾𝖽𝗀𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝗅𝖺𝗍𝖾𝗋.

𝗔𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗴𝗿𝘂𝗺𝗽𝘆 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝘁 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝘀 𝗲𝗮𝘀𝘆 𝗮𝘀 𝗶𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗮 𝗷𝗼𝗯? 𝗪𝗵𝘆 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗺𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺? 𝗪𝗵𝘆 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗼𝗳𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲𝘀?

𝗧𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗮𝗹 𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗮𝗹 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗿𝗮𝗰𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀. 𝗧𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗰𝗿𝘆 (𝗶𝗳 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻) "𝗼𝗵, 𝘄𝗲𝗹𝗹 "𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆" (𝗶𝗲 𝗕𝗔𝗠𝗘 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲) 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 "𝗼𝘂𝗿" 𝗷𝗼𝗯𝘀.
𝖨 𝗁𝗈𝗉𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗐𝖺𝗌𝗇’𝗍 𝖺 𝗉𝖾𝗋𝗌𝗈𝗇𝖺𝗅 𝖺𝗍𝗍𝖺𝖼𝗄, 𝗂𝖿 𝗂𝗍 𝗐𝖺𝗌 𝖼𝖺𝗇 𝖨 𝗌𝖺𝗒 𝖨 𝗁𝖾𝗅𝗉𝖾𝖽 𝖺 𝗅𝖾𝗀𝖺𝗅 𝗂𝗆𝗆𝗂𝗀𝗋𝖺𝗇𝗍 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁 𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝖢𝖵 𝗅𝖺𝗌𝗍 𝗒𝖾𝖺𝗋. 𝖧𝖾 𝗐𝖺𝗌 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝖻𝗋𝗈𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋 𝗈𝖿 𝖺 𝖿𝗋𝗂𝖾𝗇𝖽 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝗄 𝖼𝗈𝗅𝗅𝖾𝗀𝗎𝖾 𝗈𝖿 𝗆𝗂𝗇𝖾 𝗂𝗇 𝖨𝗇𝖽𝗂𝖺 𝗐𝗁𝗈 𝖨 𝗁𝖺𝖽 𝗆𝖾𝗇𝗍𝗈𝗋𝖾𝖽 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗁𝖾𝗅𝗉 𝗁𝖾𝗋 𝗀𝖾𝗍 𝖺 𝖽𝖾𝗌𝖾𝗋𝗏𝖾𝖽 𝗉𝗋𝗈𝗆𝗈𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇.

𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼. 𝗜𝘁'𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗰𝗮𝗽𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘀𝗺 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴, 𝗼𝘂𝘁𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗱𝘂𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗯𝗿𝗼𝗮𝗱, 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝗷𝗼𝗯𝘀. 𝗕𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗹𝗮𝗺𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝗻 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝘁𝗲𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗙𝗮𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗰𝗼.
𝖳𝗁𝖾 𝗈𝗇𝗅𝗒 𝗉𝖾𝗈𝗉𝗅𝖾 𝗐𝗁𝗈𝗌𝖾 𝗅𝗂𝗏𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗌𝗍𝖺𝗇𝖽𝖺𝗋𝖽 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝗇𝗈𝗍 𝖻𝖾𝖾𝗇 𝗂𝗆𝗉𝗋𝗈𝗏𝖾𝖽 𝖻𝗒 𝗀𝗅𝗈𝖻𝖺𝗅𝗂𝗌𝖺𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗎𝗇𝗌𝗄𝗂𝗅𝗅𝖾𝖽 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗌𝖾𝗆𝗂-𝗌𝗄𝗂𝗅𝗅𝖾𝖽 𝗆𝖾𝗇 𝗂𝗇 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗐𝖾𝗌𝗍. 𝖤𝗏𝖾𝗇 𝗂𝖿 𝗉𝗋𝗈𝖽𝗎𝖼𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇 𝗂𝗌 𝗈𝗇𝗌𝗁𝗈𝗋𝖾𝖽 𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗌𝖾 𝗃𝗈𝖻𝗌 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗇𝗈𝗍 𝖼𝗈𝗆𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖻𝖺𝖼𝗄. 𝖳𝗁𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝗈𝖻𝗅𝖾𝗆 𝗂𝗌 𝗇𝗈𝗍 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁 𝖥𝖺𝗋𝖺𝗀𝖾 𝗈𝗋 𝖳𝗋𝗎𝗆𝗉 (𝖻𝗈𝗍𝗁 𝖨𝖬𝖧𝖮 𝗌𝗇𝖺𝗄𝖾 𝗈𝗂𝗅 𝗌𝖺𝗅𝖾𝗌𝗆𝖾𝗇, 𝗐𝗁𝗈 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝗂𝖽𝖾𝗇𝗍𝗂𝖿𝗂𝖾𝖽 𝖺 𝗆𝖺𝗋𝗄𝖾𝗍 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗌𝗇𝖺𝗄𝖾 𝗈𝗂𝗅) 𝖻𝗎𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗉𝗈𝗅𝗂𝗍𝗂𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇𝗌 𝗐𝗁𝗈 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝗂𝗀𝗇𝗈𝗋𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝗈𝖻𝗅𝖾𝗆 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗀𝖾𝗇𝖾𝗋𝖺𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇𝗌.

𝗟𝗼𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗶𝘁 𝗰𝗮𝗻'𝘁 𝗷𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗯𝗲 𝗺𝗲, 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗜 𝘀𝗲𝗲 (𝗜 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗸 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗵𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗻𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗹𝗮𝘀𝘀 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗺𝘂𝗻𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀) 𝗶𝘀 𝗙𝗮𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝘃𝗮𝗿𝗶𝗼𝘂𝘀 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗱𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝘀𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝗼𝗻. (𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝗳 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘀𝗲 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀 𝗱𝗮𝘂𝗴𝗵𝘁𝗲𝗿𝘀, 𝗼𝗿 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝗱𝗲𝗰𝗼𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗼𝗿, 𝗮 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗲𝗻 𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝘀𝗼𝗻 𝗼𝗻).
𝗦𝗼 𝘄𝗲 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗳𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗺𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝘀: 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗮𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗽 𝗼𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗲𝗻 (𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝗳 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘀𝗲 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻) 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘄𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗼 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗮𝗳𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗼𝗹𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝗺𝗲𝗻 (𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻)

𝗕𝗲𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗻𝗲𝗲𝗱 𝗷𝗼𝗯𝘀 𝘁𝗼 𝗴𝗼 𝘁𝗼 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝘂𝗽𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗱𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁
𝖠𝗇𝖽 𝗂𝗇 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗍𝗈𝗐𝗇𝗌 𝗂𝗇 𝗍𝖾𝗋𝗆𝗂𝗇𝖺𝗅 𝖽𝖾𝖼𝗅𝗂𝗇𝖾, 𝗌𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗋𝖺𝗅 𝗀𝖾𝗇𝖾𝗋𝖺𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇 𝗉𝗋𝗈𝖻𝖺𝖻𝗅𝗒 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾𝗇’𝗍 𝗁𝖺𝖽 𝖺 𝗉𝖾𝗋𝗆𝖺𝗇𝖾𝗇𝗍 𝗃𝗈𝖻. 𝖲𝗂𝗑 𝗆𝗈𝗇𝗍𝗁𝗌 𝖽𝗈𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝗈𝗋 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗌𝖾𝖺𝗌𝗈𝗇𝖺𝗅 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝗄, 𝗀𝗈𝗏𝖾𝗋𝗇𝗆𝖾𝗇𝗍 𝗌𝖼𝗁𝖾𝗆𝖾 …

𝖨 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝗌𝖺𝗂𝖽 𝖾𝗅𝗌𝖾𝗐𝗁𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗌𝖾 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁 𝖺𝗇𝗒 𝗀𝖾𝗍 𝗎𝗉 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗀𝗈 𝗀𝗈𝗍 𝗎𝗉 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗅𝖾𝖿𝗍 𝗅𝗈𝗇𝗀 𝖺𝗀𝗈 (𝗂𝗇𝖼𝗅 𝗆𝖾). 𝖳𝗁𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝖺𝗋𝖾 𝗇𝗈 𝗇𝖺𝗍𝗎𝗋𝖺𝗅 𝗅𝖾𝖺𝖽𝖾𝗋𝗌, 𝗇𝗈 𝖾𝗇𝗍𝗋𝖾𝗉𝖺𝗇𝗎𝗋𝖾𝗌, 𝗇𝗈 𝗈𝗇𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝗋𝖺𝗅𝗅𝗒 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗍𝗋𝗈𝗈𝗉𝗌…
𝖠𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝗂𝗌 𝗉𝗈𝗂𝗇𝗍 𝖨 𝗄𝗇𝗈𝗐 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝗈𝖻𝗅𝖾𝗆 𝖨 𝖽𝗈𝗇’𝗍 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝖾 𝖺 𝗌𝗈𝗅𝗎𝗍𝗂𝗈𝗇

𝗠𝗲𝗻 𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗶𝘁 𝗵𝗮𝗿𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗸, 𝘁𝗼 𝗮𝘀𝗸 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗽
𝖶𝗁𝖾𝗇 𝖨 𝖽𝗂𝖽 𝖺𝗌𝗄 𝗆𝗒 𝗅𝗂𝗇𝖾 𝗆𝖺𝗇𝖺𝗀𝖾𝗋 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝗁𝖾𝗅𝗉 (𝗌𝖾𝖾 𝗅𝖺𝗍𝖾𝗋) 𝖺𝗅𝗅 𝖨 𝗀𝗈𝗍 𝗐𝖺𝗌 𝖬𝖺𝗇 𝗎𝗉, 𝗍𝗎𝗋𝗇 𝗍𝗁𝖾 𝗈𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋 𝖼𝗁𝖾𝖾𝗄.

𝗦𝗼 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗻𝗲𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀.
𝖠 𝗅𝗈𝗍 𝗁𝖺𝗌 𝖻𝖾𝖾𝗇 𝗌𝖺𝗂𝖽 𝖺𝖻𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝗍𝗈𝗑𝗂𝖼 𝗆𝖺𝗇𝗎𝗅𝗂𝗌𝗂𝖼𝖺𝗍𝗒 𝖻𝗎𝗍 𝗇𝗈 𝗈𝗇𝖾 𝗁𝖺𝗌 𝖽𝖾𝖿𝗂𝗇𝖾𝖽 𝗇𝗈𝗇𝖾 𝗍𝗈𝗑𝗂𝖼 𝗆𝖺𝗇𝗎𝗅𝗂𝗌𝗂𝖼𝗍𝗒 (𝖻𝗎𝗍 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗂𝗌 𝖺 𝗍𝗁𝗋𝖾𝖺𝖽 𝖿𝗈𝗋 𝖺𝗇𝗈𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋 𝖽𝖺𝗒)

𝗙𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆, 𝗜 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗴𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗲𝘅𝗮𝗺𝗽𝗹𝗲. 𝗜 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗮 𝗰𝗼𝗲𝗿𝗰𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗹𝘆 𝗮𝗯𝘂𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗶𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗮 𝗺𝗮𝗻, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗜 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗳𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗮 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝘄𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻 . 𝗜 𝗹𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀 𝗵𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗻: 𝗹𝗼𝘃𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 (𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗼𝗼).
𝖬𝗒 𝗉𝖾𝗋𝗌𝗈𝗇𝖺𝗅 𝖾𝗑𝖺𝗆𝗉𝗅𝖾, 𝖨 𝗐𝖺𝗌 𝗌𝖾𝗑𝗎𝖺𝗅 𝗁𝖺𝗋𝗋𝖺𝗌𝗌𝖾𝖽 𝖺𝗍 𝗐𝗈𝗋𝗄 𝖻𝗒 𝖺 𝖿𝖾𝗆𝖺𝗅𝖾 𝖼𝗈𝗅𝗅𝖾𝖺𝗀𝗎𝖾, 𝟣𝟧 𝗒𝖾𝖺𝗋 𝗒𝗈𝗎𝗇𝗀𝖾𝗋 𝗍𝗁𝖺𝗍 𝗆𝖾, 𝗐𝗁𝗂𝗍𝖾 𝖿𝗈𝗋𝖾𝗂𝗀𝗇 𝖻𝗈𝗋𝗇. 𝖤𝗇𝖽𝖾𝖽 𝗎𝗉 𝗁𝖺𝗏𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝖺 𝗇𝖾𝗋𝗏𝗂𝗈𝗎𝗌 𝖻𝗋𝖾𝖺𝗄 𝖽𝗈𝗐𝗇 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝗅𝗈𝗈𝗌𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗆𝗒 𝗃𝗈𝖻 𝖺𝖿𝗍𝖾𝗋 𝗇𝖾𝖺𝗋𝗅𝗒 𝟤𝟢 𝗒𝖾𝖺𝗋𝗌 𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋𝖾.

𝗙𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆, 𝗜 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗴𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗮 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗲𝘅𝗮𝗺𝗽𝗹𝗲. 𝗜 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗮 𝗰𝗼𝗲𝗿𝗰𝗶𝘃𝗲𝗹𝘆 𝗮𝗯𝘂𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗰𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝗮𝗿𝗿𝗶𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗮 𝗺𝗮𝗻, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗜 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗳𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗮𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗮 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝘄𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻 . 𝗜 𝗹𝗲𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀 𝗵𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗻: 𝗹𝗼𝘃𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗮𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗽𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝗻 𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 (𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗼𝗼).
𝖶𝗁𝖾𝗇 𝖨 𝗋𝖾𝖼𝗈𝗏𝖾𝗋𝖾𝖽 𝖨 𝗋𝖾𝖼𝗈𝗀𝗇𝗂𝗌𝖾𝖽 𝗁𝖾𝗋 𝖺𝗌 𝖺 𝗇𝖺𝗌𝖺𝖼𝗂𝗌𝗍, 𝗐𝗁𝗈 𝖼𝖺𝗇 𝗈𝗇𝗅𝗒 𝖿𝖾𝖾𝗅 𝗀𝗈𝗈𝖽 𝖺𝖻𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝗁𝖾𝗋𝗌𝖾𝗅𝗏𝖾 𝖻𝗒 𝗁𝗎𝗋𝗍𝗂𝗇𝗀 𝗈𝗍𝗁𝖾𝗋𝗌

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𝘽𝙪𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙙𝙪𝙨𝙩 𝙨𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙡𝙚𝙙 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚, 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙄 𝙨𝙖𝙬 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙖 𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙬𝙝𝙤 𝙛𝙚𝙡𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙣𝙚𝙙 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙖𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙫𝙪𝙡𝙣𝙚𝙧𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙝𝙞𝙢𝙨𝙚𝙡𝙛, 𝙗𝙪𝙩 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙚𝙖𝙧 𝙩𝙤 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩. 𝙄𝙩 𝙝𝙪𝙧𝙩 𝙝𝙞𝙨 𝙥𝙧𝙞𝙙𝙚, 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙖𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙖𝙮 𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙖𝙨 𝙗𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙪𝙥, 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙚𝙭𝙥𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙖 𝙈𝙖𝙣 𝙎𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝘽𝙚, 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙖 𝙬𝙤𝙢𝙖𝙣 𝙬𝙝𝙤 𝙖𝙡𝙩𝙝𝙤𝙪𝙜𝙝 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝘽𝙞𝙜 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙎𝙪𝙘𝙘𝙚𝙨𝙨𝙛𝙪𝙡 𝙞𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙡𝙙'𝙨 𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙢𝙨, 𝙝𝙖𝙙 𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙙 𝙢𝙤𝙧𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙣 𝙝𝙞𝙢 𝙞𝙣 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙬𝙖𝙮𝙨:

𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙞𝙩 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙗𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙡𝙚𝙧𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙.

I'd be interested to know what you (or indeed others):

*Think of my more psychological reflections*:

I tried to address psychology in my post last night.

JohnnyMo, you suggest women are as likely to be domestic abusers as men. The number of women killed by men has hovered between 124 and 168 a year since 2009.
On average 62% of these women will have been killed by a current or former partner (femicide census)

Home Office index data March 2020 - March 2022 - 1.8 women a week, eight a month are killed by current or former partner. On average one woman is killed by an abusive current/ex partner every five days.

In the year ending March 2923: 40 men were killed in domestic homicudes, 33 of them by a female partner or ex partner

Over a ten year period, 108 men were killed by current-ex partners. In the same period, 840 women were killed by male partners/rx partners. In those 108 cases, research found evidence of abuse in 77% of those cases

Your personal experience can I’m sure be mirrored by many of the female posters on this forum

𝗜𝗮𝗺𝟲𝟰 𝗠𝗼𝗻 𝟮𝟱-𝗔𝘂𝗴-𝟮𝟱 𝟭𝟲:𝟯𝟱:𝟮𝟱
𝗝𝗼𝗵𝗻𝗻𝘆𝗠𝗼, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘀𝘂𝗴𝗴𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝘀 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲𝗹𝘆 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲 𝗱𝗼𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗮𝗯𝘂𝘀𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗮𝘀 𝗺𝗲𝗻.
I clearly said a third, almost every reliable survey has that figure.

𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗻𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝗵𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝟭𝟮𝟰 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝟭𝟲𝟴 𝗮 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝟮𝟬𝟬𝟵.

𝗢𝗻 𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝟲𝟮% 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘀𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗮 𝗰𝘂𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗲𝗿 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿 (𝗳𝗲𝗺𝗶𝗰𝗶𝗱𝗲 𝗰𝗲𝗻𝘀𝘂𝘀)

𝗛𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗢𝗳𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗶𝗻𝗱𝗲𝘅 𝗱𝗮𝘁𝗮 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝟮𝟬𝟮𝟬 - 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝟮𝟬𝟮𝟮 - 𝟭.𝟴 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗮 𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗸, 𝗲𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝗮 𝗺𝗼𝗻𝘁𝗵 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝘂𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗼𝗿 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗲𝗿 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿. 𝗢𝗻 𝗮𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗶𝘀 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝗯𝘂𝘀𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗰𝘂𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁/𝗲𝘅 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆 𝗳𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗱𝗮𝘆𝘀.

𝗜𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗠𝗮𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝟮𝟵𝟮𝟯: 𝟰𝟬 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝗻 𝗱𝗼𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗶𝗰𝘂𝗱𝗲𝘀, 𝟯𝟯 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺 𝗯𝘆 𝗮 𝗳𝗲𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗲 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿 𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘅 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿

Homicide as part of domestic abuse the ratio is about 1:5, or (30-40:150-200 per year) that does not include men who commit suicide because of abuse.

𝗢𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝗮 𝘁𝗲𝗻 𝘆𝗲𝗮𝗿 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗼𝗱, 𝟭𝟬𝟴 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝘂𝗿𝗿𝗲𝗻𝘁-𝗲𝘅 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿𝘀. 𝗜𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗮𝗺𝗲 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗼𝗱, 𝟴𝟰𝟬 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗸𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗲 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿𝘀/𝗿𝘅 𝗽𝗮𝗿𝘁𝗻𝗲𝗿𝘀. 𝗜𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝟭𝟬𝟴 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲𝘀, 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗰𝗵 𝗳𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝗲𝘃𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗮𝗯𝘂𝘀𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝟳𝟳% 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲𝘀

I would like to know where that figure comes from as most survey are about 30-40/year as you quoted for year to Mar 2023. Also how many of those women were murdered by an abused partner. Yes need to quote either both or neither.

𝗬𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝗜’𝗺 𝘀𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝗯𝗲 𝗺𝗶𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝗲𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗲 𝗽𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝘂𝗺

Afterwards I posted my experience on SM twice. Once clearly as a man reporting harassment by a women and once gender neutral "J said : ... D said ". The former had No supportive comments while the later had many all from women who assumed I was also a women.

If you want to discuss this further I suggest you spawn a new thread.

I doubt colour of children causes underachievement. Perhaps it's parents who are involved, disinterested, not reading to their children.

Remember when Diane Abbott said that white women did not know how to raise boys as they do in her culture. I think I’m right in saying she was in trouble for that racist remark. Then she sent her son to Private School.

I know the please start a new thread is becoming a popular refrain, I for one always ignore that request. This is the Internet people can talk about whatever they want within guidelines.

I'm delighted that you engaged as you did, JohnnyMo. some of our experiences are - almost mirrored.

How the crucial point is, that the numbers of men abusing women and the way they do it - I'm thinking for example of Dads who groom their girls. we cannot get away from the facts of life, that Men and mostly stronger and can violently rape women and girls, and women cannot, that there is non doubt that traditionally men have been "the bosses" at home and at work, and though its changing its still there.

I so welcome a man as you have done being emotionally open and documenting whats its like to behave well and appreciate intelligent women...

...but its my experience at 74 - having been involved in gender and other politics as well as profound personal experiences that things have not changed, anything much as you think to has.

Did your abuser shout at you anything like I got?

I have it recorded, secretly, from my ex

If I were a violent man, you'd be dead, and most men would have done it by now!!!

My son has said the same things as you and many posts here of course have brought up their sons to appreciate women

But you are being vastly overoptimistic about how many men are really as you describe yourself, JohnnyMo. It would be good if you could persuade other men to join you?

I disagree with you profoundly of course on the race and culture side of matters, but enough for now!

And Galaxy is right - advice to "newbie" - we cant change the thread every time something of partiuclar interest jumps out.... generally....threads do get sort of inclusive and drift a bit, its in their nature, but this thread has stayed very much mainly "on message".

(Doodledog "I tried to address psychology in my post last night."

Yes, thank you I did notice it and it was very much to the point, I guess I just needed to "say it in my own way".)

Norah

I doubt colour of children causes underachievement. Perhaps it's parents who are involved, disinterested, not reading to their children.

I think it’s a cultural shift that’s seeped into all aspects of modern life.

Personal responsibility is something that’s anathema to many people now. If something is wrong, it must be someone else’s fault. Too quick to blame others instead of looking at ourselves. Some parents expect school to do absolutely everything for a child - teach them to read, write, dress themselves, eat with cutlery, tie shoelaces, use the bathroom. All this and provide wrap around care so that parents can work. From my own observations I’d say it’s a combination of selfishness and laziness - not wanting to spend the time in teaching the child life skills, and expecting others to pick up the slack. And the child suffers, because no one can replace the parent, the primary teacher.

Galaxy

I know the please start a new thread is becoming a popular refrain, I for one always ignore that request. This is the Internet people can talk about whatever they want within guidelines.

Threads meander.

Sometimes a topic does deserve a thread of its own but that's up to the person who introduced it to decide.

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Why is the PP a nasty piece of work?

During the 2010 Labour leadership race, Ms Abbott stated: "West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children."

She made the remark to explain her decision to send her son James to a fee-paying school after having previously criticised the private sector. BBC interviewer Andrew Neil responded: "So black mums love their kids more than white mums, do they?"

Ms Abbott attacked her Labour colleague, Harriet Harman, for sending her son to a grammar school. "She [Harman] made the Labour Party look as if we do one thing and say another," Ms Abbott said.

She has described her own decision as "indefensible" and "incoherent" but said she feared her child would fall in with "black gangs" if he went to a state school.

Ms Abbott said staff at her local east London hospital who were "blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls" were not suitable to be nurses because they had "never met a black person before".

She also suggested Jewish people do not face racism.

Etc.

Abbot I her own words.

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/07/diane-abbott-becoming-an-mp-dating-jeremy-corbyn-media-intrusion

I wanted to ask JonnyMo ...you got out of that situation, surely others can too? what made the difference for you?

And why is the fact that Asian origin kids in particular work so hard making it "worse" for white working class boys? Surely they are role models?

MadameFeuveral

Why is the PP a nasty piece of work?

During the 2010 Labour leadership race, Ms Abbott stated: "West Indian mums will go to the wall for their children."

She made the remark to explain her decision to send her son James to a fee-paying school after having previously criticised the private sector. BBC interviewer Andrew Neil responded: "So black mums love their kids more than white mums, do they?"

Ms Abbott attacked her Labour colleague, Harriet Harman, for sending her son to a grammar school. "She [Harman] made the Labour Party look as if we do one thing and say another," Ms Abbott said.

She has described her own decision as "indefensible" and "incoherent" but said she feared her child would fall in with "black gangs" if he went to a state school.

Ms Abbott said staff at her local east London hospital who were "blonde, blue-eyed Finnish girls" were not suitable to be nurses because they had "never met a black person before".

She also suggested Jewish people do not face racism.

Etc.

Diane Abbott has never been a minister, so I’m not sure how this is relevant.

I think that if someone believes that a policy is a good one (eg not having a two-tier education system) but it is taking time to get there they have to do what is right at the time. As long as some London state schools are unable to deal with gangs and private schools can protect children against them I don’t think it is hypocritical for those who can afford to to send their children to private school, even when working against their existence. I am not a particular DA fan, but she has suffered from a lot of racism and her son would have that to deal with too, as well as security issues and the possibility of press intrusion in an inner city state school. I don’t think that there was ever a policy to close all independent schools- just to withdraw tax breaks and charitable status - but even if that’s not the case it is perfectly ok to work with an existing system until a new, improved one comes onstream.

I've got lost somewhere - what is the PP?

Allira

I've got lost somewhere - what is the PP?

I don’t know what you mean

A previous poster?

𝙒𝙮𝙡𝙡𝙤𝙬3 𝙈𝙤𝙣 25-𝘼𝙪𝙜-25 22:23:03

𝙄 𝙬𝙖𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙙 𝙩𝙤 𝙖𝙨𝙠 𝙅𝙤𝙣𝙣𝙮𝙈𝙤 ...𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙜𝙤𝙩 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙨𝙞𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣, 𝙨𝙪𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙨 𝙘𝙖𝙣 𝙩𝙤𝙤? 𝙬𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙢𝙖𝙙𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙙𝙞𝙛𝙛𝙚𝙧𝙚𝙣𝙘𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙮𝙤𝙪?

I lost my job. The company was about to make the team redundant so by forcing me out before announcing the redundancy save the company a about a year's salary given my age and length of service.

𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙬𝙝𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙛𝙖𝙘𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝘼𝙨𝙞𝙖𝙣 𝙤𝙧𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙣 𝙠𝙞𝙙𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠 𝙨𝙤 𝙝𝙖𝙧𝙙 𝙢𝙖𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙞𝙩 "𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙨𝙚" 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙩𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙘𝙡𝙖𝙨𝙨 𝙗𝙤𝙮𝙨? 𝙎𝙪𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙮 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙧𝙤𝙡𝙚 𝙢𝙤𝙙𝙚𝙡𝙨?

The other group underachieving are Afro-Caribbean rather than Asian. That said some Asian Muslims also underachieve.

𝗪𝘆𝗹𝗹𝗼𝘄𝟯 𝗠𝗼𝗻 𝟮𝟱-𝗔𝘂𝗴-𝟮𝟱 𝟮𝟬:𝟬𝟳:𝟯𝟵

𝗛𝗼𝘄 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘂𝗰𝗶𝗮𝗹 𝗽𝗼𝗶𝗻𝘁 𝗶𝘀, 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗻𝘂𝗺𝗯𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗯𝘂𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗮𝘆 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗱𝗼 𝗶𝘁 - 𝗜'𝗺 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗲𝘅𝗮𝗺𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗗𝗮𝗱𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗴𝗿𝗼𝗼𝗺 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝗴𝗶𝗿𝗹𝘀. 𝘄𝗲 𝗰𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗴𝗲𝘁 𝗮𝘄𝗮𝘆 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗰𝘁𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗹𝗶𝗳𝗲, 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗠𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗺𝗼𝘀𝘁𝗹𝘆 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗼𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝘃𝗶𝗼𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗹𝘆 𝗿𝗮𝗽𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗴𝗶𝗿𝗹𝘀, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗰𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗼𝘁,

Raising the issue of male victim domestic abuse I have identified two sorts of women. Some who find ALL domestic abuse abhorrent and others who see anyone raising male victims as a misogynist. Doing so somehow dilutes the campaign to save women. I think 𝗜𝗮𝗺𝟲𝟰 falls into the later. I totally accept men are stronger and rape is (almost) exclusively a male crime. I don't accept the recent rise in females committing rape but that is a separate issue.

However the problem facing men are totally different to those facing women. A man asking for help is more likely to face ridicule than get any useful support. As the issue of male victims is not discussed as much of female men are often made to feel isolated, alone and even guilty. If they were a real man they would not put up with it. As you know when being abused and controlled, thinking straight isn't that easy.

The fact that a woman is killed by an abusive partner two or three times a week is widely reported and IIRC their names are read out in HoC on International Women's Day. The fact that a man is killed by an abusive partner about two to three times a month is hardly mentioned.

Finally domestic abuse is under the VAWG initiatives so the efforts to address it are seen through that prism.

𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝗻 𝗱𝗼𝘂𝗯𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗱𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 "𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗼𝘀𝘀𝗲𝘀" 𝗮𝘁 𝗵𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗮𝘁 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗴𝗵 𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲.
When I was a child my mother was defiantly the boss of the house.

𝗜 𝘀𝗼 𝘄𝗲𝗹𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗮 𝗺𝗮𝗻 𝗮𝘀 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗱𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗲𝗺𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗱𝗼𝗰𝘂𝗺𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁𝘀 𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘄𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗶𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗴𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻...

Thank You

...𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝗺𝘆 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗮𝘁 𝟳𝟰 - 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗯𝗲𝗲𝗻 𝗶𝗻𝘃𝗼𝗹𝘃𝗲𝗱 𝗶𝗻 𝗴𝗲𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗽𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗰𝘀 𝗮𝘀 𝘄𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗱, 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗺𝘂𝗰𝗵 𝗮𝘀 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗸 𝘁𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝘀.

Issue with echo-chambers and bad stories sells papers. It is hard to know what is really happening in the real world at times.

𝗕𝘂𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘃𝗮𝘀𝘁𝗹𝘆 𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗼𝗽𝘁𝗶𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗰 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗵𝗼𝘄 𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗮𝘀 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗱𝗲𝘀𝗰𝗿𝗶𝗯𝗲 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘀𝗲𝗹𝗳, 𝗝𝗼𝗵𝗻𝗻𝘆𝗠𝗼. 𝗜𝘁 𝘄𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗯𝗲 𝗴𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝗶𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝘂𝗮𝗱𝗲 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗼 𝗷𝗼𝗶𝗻 𝘆𝗼𝘂?

As I said earlier "I have identified two sorts of women", if would be good to have more of the former and less of the later.

𝗜 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗹𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗿𝘀𝗲 𝗼𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗮𝗰𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗰𝘂𝗹𝘁𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗶𝗱𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗲𝗿𝘀, 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝗲𝗻𝗼𝘂𝗴𝗵 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗻𝗼𝘄!

Then re-raise it in your next post

Two sorts of women?

Don't we come in as many 'sorts' as men? Life is not black and white, and people come in all 'sorts'. Most of us (male and female) are just muddling through life trying to do the best we can with what we have.

I'd be surprised if most people don't see all DV as abhorrent. I don't understand the comment about people seeing those who raise male victims as misogynist. If you mean male perpetrators, then it's fair to say that some boys growing up seeing women beaten into submission might grow up to follow suit, but others defend their mothers against violent fathers, even at cost to themselves. I'm not sure what male victims of female violence have to do with misogyny, and can't imagine Iam being in support of violence of any kind.

Some of these posts are hurting my 👀 eyes. Too hard.

nanna8

Some of these posts are hurting my 👀 eyes. Too hard.

Yes!

Should someone start a thread about post formatting?
The use of ^^ ** for instance?