Goodbye Duke & Duchess of York.

ronib

I don’t understand how Andrew Lownie is such an authority…. I expect he’s hoping for good sales on his book?

Have you read all the 59 pages of references and footnotes in
"Entitled"?
Actually have you read the book?

Aveline

Having heard the latest on Andrew I think he and Sarah must leave the country at once and live abroad like the Duke of Windsor. Inexcusable behaviour. William and Charles must take a firm stand.

What country would take them? The USA have done their bit by providing a haven for Harry and Meghan. It would be unreasonable for them to take in these two as well.

What about Ruanda? They seem very willing to take any countires rag, tag and bobtail, if paid enough. Perhaps we could crowd fund and country that wants them.

A rhyme about Queen Caroline, George IV's hapless wife rerun for modern times,

O Gracious Prince we thee implore
To go away and sin no more
But if that effort be too great
To go away at any rate.

should be 'any country' not 'and country'

Goodness- there’s no way I would ever want to read this book. A waste of my fading eyesight.

ronib

Goodness- there’s no way I would ever want to read this book. A waste of my fading eyesight.

In which case there is no point in even trying to discuss the book is there?

“O Gracious Prince we thee implore
To go away and sin no more
But if that effort be too great
To go away at any rate.”

Love it, M0nica !!!

There are a number of other people who were involved with Epstein who have escaped investigation. Prince Andrew is very much a bit player.

Smileless2012

^Their daughters are no better^ why RosesandLilac what have they done?

they're contaminated by association but should they be? Is it right for them and the entire Royal Family to be castigated?

No, certainly it is not.

They should just both retired quietly to the remote countryside somewhere at their own expense. No more graces or favours. Why should any other country take them? That's unfair. Anyway, what would happen to the dogs?

Now, can Royal Lodge be refurbished for William and Catherine - if they want to live there, of course.

Anniebach

Quote Casdon Mon 20-Oct-25 09:40:58
It is verified by accounts from other girls I expect Anniebach. A lot of what happened is documented in the USA. We will be drip fed new revelations for years no doubt. .

There will be proof of him speaking of his daughter’s age? I knew the family of a man hanged for.murder, his sister fought for years, he was given a free pardon

That’s an incidental issue Anniebach. What is important is whether other girls have testified that they were involved in sexual activities with him at any of Epstein’s homes.

ronib

There are a number of other people who were involved with Epstein who have escaped investigation. Prince Andrew is very much a bit player.

Yes, but are they our concern or that of the USA?

Quote Casdon Mon 20-Oct-25 09:40:58
It is verified by accounts from other girls I expect Anniebach. A lot of what happened is documented in the USA. We will be drip fed new revelations for years no doubt. .

I haven’t read any statements made in America,

The USA is unlikely to commit to any investigation of key members so Prince Andrew is a diversion away from them. No names mentioned….Allira

Anniebach, there are a number of documentaries on Netflix where numerous victims are interviewed. Chilling

Yes. They should move to America and live in disgrace.
Their daughters are absolutely blameless and put in a dreadful position.
I can just imagine the meetings going on. I do hope Princess Anne has some input.

Allira

William and Catherine are soon moving into Forest Lodge in Windsor Great Park, an 8 bedroom mansion that is to be their ‘forever’ home, even when he becomes King apparently.

They will pay the going rate for renting it, and it has been ‘done up’ at their own expense, no cost to the taxpayer (i.e. us).

I don’t suppose they want Royal Lodge, it has been tainted with its associations with Andrew, (assuming he ever leaves).

Thank you, Calendargirl, I didn't know that (must keep up 😁).

That sounds preferable, big enough for the lifestyle they have to lead, with Nanny etc but not too ostentatious.

Mamie

ronib

Goodness- there’s no way I would ever want to read this book. A waste of my fading eyesight.

In which case there is no point in even trying to discuss the book is there?

Audible?

Quote Iam64 Mon 20-Oct-25 11:11:20
Anniebach, there are a number of documentaries on Netflix where numerous victims are interviewed. Chilling

Thank you Iam, I don’t have Netflix so can’t read the statements, may I ask who did the interviews ? Netflix ?

Anniebach

Quote Casdon Mon 20-Oct-25 09:40:58
It is verified by accounts from other girls I expect Anniebach. A lot of what happened is documented in the USA. We will be drip fed new revelations for years no doubt. .

I haven’t read any statements made in America,

No, not publicly released yet, but they are there, and information from Epstein’s diaries is being leaked bit by bit too.

I’d be much more interested in the Americans involved as having seen the interview with Maitlis, I believe Prince Andrew is implicated but evidence of wrongdoing by key businessmen is in short supply. Boz

So. Frustrating, are there names given by the young girls, I have heard three names, British, Trump but has anyone spoken out

Allira

Thank you, Calendargirl, I didn't know that (must keep up 😁).

That sounds preferable, big enough for the lifestyle they have to lead, with Nanny etc but not too ostentatious.

Apparently the Wales family have no live-in staff.
I understand Royal Lodge is not in a good state, with damp, mould and cracks, needing a lot of money to repair.

Anniebach

So. Frustrating, are there names given by the young girls, I have heard three names, British, Trump but has anyone spoken out

There's a few names - Naomi Campbell, Trump, Clinton, Kevin Spacey, American comedian/actor Chris Tucker - these have cropped up as being on Epstein's flights but I would imagine there's a lot of people in high places running around trying to protect people in even higher places!

But even so, there's nothing illegal about flying on his plane. I don't know if we'll ever know everything.

ViceVersa

On a side note, I've just read a post on Twitter about an aide to an American state governor being sentenced for 'engaging in sex' with a six-year-old - yes, a six-year-old. That's rape by anyone's standards - and I wish press reports would make that clear.

I assume there was no penetration, so not rape.

Prince Andrew as far as I care is just another rich man , one of many, who thinks he can buy another person's body if he pays enough .