Goodbye Duke & Duchess of York.

We have no real information about the young girls involved apart from information filtered through the media. I too am a mother, grandmother if not feminist. I would do everything in my power to protect young girls and young men from abuse. But it was up to the parents of those children involved who failed to protect.

I also doubt that Prince Andrew had the slightest idea of how Epstein and Maxwell procured girls. He just wouldn’t think about it.

SueDonim

^Fact, there some men who need to spend time with prostitute , not the majority but definitely some^

Dear lord, I cannot believe what I’m reading - that women are mere lumps of meat put on this earth to satisfy men’s needs. If men’s sexual needs are so imperative, how come a woman (or man) isn’t available to them on prescription?

I know exactly what you mean. I'm appalled by some of these posts.

As this thread appears to be about Andrew and Sarah, I am wondering where this discussion is going. It appears to now be about the rights and wrongs or men having sex with prostitutes.

I have read "Entitled" by Andrew Lownie a distinguished academic and it was meticulously researched and no doubt fact checked and run past legal experts before publication. The book is not idle tittle-tattle designed to besmirch the monarchy as claimed by some GNs who, presumably, have not read it.

The ex-Yorks do not come out well and I am sure that the book influenced the decision to strip away their titles. There are many more reasons, as I mentioned up-thread, other than Prince Andrew's sexual exploits, why he is disgraced and why Sarah is also disgraced.

Nearly all of us are ViceVersa. For a woman to say these things, to tacitly accept that it is acceptable for men to use young girls, is shocking.

Anniebach

Iam64 Mon 20-Oct-25 16:17:38
Do you have friend or family relationships with men who ‘use/need the services of prostitutes’ ronib?
I know these men because of my work with their victims.

I’m with Allira in finding your suggestion that my father might have paid for sex. I am totally confident neither my father, or my husband would do thst.

I’m not sure what point you’re attempting to make. Is it that most men are like PAndrew, without a moral compass.

Fact, there some men who need to spend time with prostitute , not the majority but definitely some.

NO.

Nobody needs to spend time with prostitutes.

Nobody with morals wants to spend time with prostitutes.

The end.

What role did the parents play? Casdon

That matters not at all ronib. Girls who are unprotected are the most vulnerable, and men taking advantage of them more abhorrent.

Watch ch 4 news on this. Excellent

Well said, Norah. And what have the girls' parents got to do with anything? The girls were used and exploited, no matter what their backgrounds were. That's the bottom line here.

The girls were paid hundreds of dollars for their services. Who received this payment?

Why has it taken so long? Andrew had protection officers wherever he went. They must have know exactly who he met, what was going on and how long he was there for. Palace guards and staff would know exactly who he invited in. They would have known if he had been at pizza express when he claimed he was etc. Utterly absurd these witnesses had not been summoned for their accounts of every meeting he had. MI5 would have known everything about who he and his wife met. Why their silence?
The Royal Family have conspired in every way to try and keep a lid on the scandals - hence why $10 million suddenly was paid to silence the truth about his abominable behaviour.

I also doubt that Prince Andrew had the slightest idea of how Epstein and Maxwell procured girls. He just wouldn’t think about it

Oh please. He is known to be dim but even he can work out under aged girls providing sex for old over privileged men would not have been legal!

Basically if Prince Andrew had paid sex, who on earth are we to criticise?

We are ordinary people holding public figures up to a moral standard and to public scrutiny according to the law of the land. The same standards should apply to all of us - equality before the law.
Rest assured - if Andrew was not 'royal' he would have been in prison long ago - and should be now.

ronib - are you one of the Royal Family by any chance?

ronib

The girls were paid hundreds of dollars for their services. Who received this payment?

ronib another irrelevant issue. Money cannot compensate for what happened to those girls. What if it was your own granddaughter? Perhaps you would think it was okay if there was enough money involved?

Don’t be ridiculous - we have very few facts to go on Casdon. We simply don’t know who received the money. Were parents pimping their own children? There’s no way my precious granddaughter would ever go near these people. We have responsible parents.

Where is this information coming from? Aveline posting that PA had sex with 8 underage girls at an orgy.

We actually know very little for certain but what we do know is that they haven't been stripped of their titles Magenta, they retain their titles of Duke and Duchess but they will not be used.

It would require an Act of Parliament to strip PA of his Dukedom.

I would have thought this was bad enough without people making it worse by spreading disinformation. Even one of the BBC breakfast presenters repeatedly stated they'd been stripped of their titles.

It’s not me being ridiculous ronib. How you can condone this, however you try to dress it up, I simply don’t understand.

I’m not condoning but choose not to condemn.

We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality.

Thomas Babington Macaulay, written concerning Lord Byron, but applies to the increasingly unpleasant and disproportionate posts here tonight.

ronib

Don’t be ridiculous - we have very few facts to go on Casdon. We simply don’t know who received the money. Were parents pimping their own children? There’s no way my precious granddaughter would ever go near these people. We have responsible parents.

You can come from the most respectable family, with the most responsible parents and still fall victim to grooming. My friend's daughter is a perfect example of that. Those who say 'oh my daughter/granddaughter etc would never do that' are either being extremely judgemental or living in cloud-cuckoo land.

We know no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodical fits of morality Thomas Babington Macaulay

easybee
Said by someone in the early 19th century when morality and law allowed children to be sent down mines and up chimneys and women to be beaten by their husbands and denied the right to keep their children if divorced. I think Byron and his incestuous and licentious behaviour needed some moral outrage! Like Andrew - he escaped imprisonment because of his privilege and connections.,

I took this to mean that her father may have pocketed it...

And until 1885? I think it was
The age of consent was 12 in Britain and Ireland.
It was raised following a scandal when a newspaper editor proved how easy it was to buy a 12 year old child from her father.
He made clear for what purpose.
When he published it and there was an outcry he was prosecuted for procurement.
Even though everything had been supervised by a chaperone and the child came to no harm.
Probably some on GN think he should have minded his business.
And that if a child is not protected by their parents then they don't much matter.