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Goodbye Duke & Duchess of York.

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ferry23 Fri 17-Oct-25 19:13:44

Following the accusations earlier this week, Prince Andrew has relinquished his title Duke of York. Same for his ex-wife.

He will still keep his title of Prince Andrew.

But I guess that's the end of the titled road for Fergie.

NotSpaghetti Mon 20-Oct-25 20:42:17

Sorry that was in reply to Casdon re Ronib's comment.

ronib
"The girls were paid hundreds of dollars for their services. Who received this payment?"

casdon
ronib another irrelevant issue. Money cannot compensate for what happened to those girls. What if it was your own granddaughter? Perhaps you would think it was okay if there was enough money involved

Galaxy Mon 20-Oct-25 20:47:59

Yes morality, terrible thing.
And actually in terms of prostitution you would be wrong about the 'judgemental British public'. Nowadays, there are very large sections of the public who don't judge those who use prostitutes, you can barely move for their demented chants of 'sex work is work'
Those who oppose it tend to be the old school feminists, generally older women who in my experience are usually at the forefront of safeguarding women and children.

Casdon Mon 20-Oct-25 21:02:43

NotSpaghetti

Sorry that was in reply to Casdon re Ronib's comment.

ronib
"The girls were paid hundreds of dollars for their services. Who received this payment?"

casdon
^ronib another irrelevant issue. Money cannot compensate for what happened to those girls. What if it was your own granddaughter? Perhaps you would think it was okay if there was enough money involved^

The money isn’t relevant to the damage caused to the girls though NotSpaghetti, regardless of who receives it, is it? welbeck made the point much better than I did though.

David49 Mon 20-Oct-25 21:06:37

I have no idea whether Andrew had sex with Guifre but he must have known what Epstein was doing, hosts dont entertain friends with young women without knowing what is going to happen, guests know exactly what is going to happen.
Andrew consorted with Epstein for several years, entertaining him in royal properties and accepting hospitality on Epsteins private island, he was a fool and now paying the price.

SueDonim Mon 20-Oct-25 21:10:36

If sex work is work then surely jobless women can find themselves employment as sex workers. Seemingly, there are plenty of men who require their needs to be serviced. confused

Galaxy Mon 20-Oct-25 21:22:14

Oh and strangely enough women/girls who have experienced abuse as children are over represented in prostitution because they are so vulnerable. That poor girl never stood a chance.

Oreo Mon 20-Oct-25 21:36:47

David49

I have no idea whether Andrew had sex with Guifre but he must have known what Epstein was doing, hosts dont entertain friends with young women without knowing what is going to happen, guests know exactly what is going to happen.
Andrew consorted with Epstein for several years, entertaining him in royal properties and accepting hospitality on Epsteins private island, he was a fool and now paying the price.

That’s exactly it.

Mt61 Mon 20-Oct-25 21:40:31

eddiecat78

Looking back, hasn't there always been a member of the royal family who behaved badly? Princess Margaret wasn't a paragon of virtue, Edward 8th was a Nazi and Edward 7th had the morals of an alley cat. And so it goes on.

The Duke of Edinburgh had his affairs, did he not? Charles too.

Allira Mon 20-Oct-25 21:42:26

he was a fool

I agree but ore than a fool. He is arrogant and thought he was entitled to take whatever he wanted.

Did he never give a thought to his own young daughters? Any decent father would have thought twice about having sex with girls the same age as his own children. Sickening.

Mt61 Mon 20-Oct-25 21:46:35

What is the legal age for sex in America. Wasn’t VG 17?

ViceVersa Mon 20-Oct-25 21:49:22

Mt61

What is the legal age for sex in America. Wasn’t VG 17?

I believe it can vary from one state to another between 16 and 18.

Iam64 Mon 20-Oct-25 21:54:45

Mt61

What is the legal age for sex in America. Wasn’t VG 17?

It varies in different states.
The issue remains as often repeated. Trafficked individuals are not considered to be able to give consent.

Allira Mon 20-Oct-25 21:54:59

Mt61

What is the legal age for sex in America. Wasn’t VG 17?

Does that make it ok then?

Some girls on the island were only 14.

I think some posters have lost sight of the facts.

Mt61 Mon 20-Oct-25 21:55:00

Thanks VV wasn’t too sure.

Mt61 Mon 20-Oct-25 22:01:32

No it isn’t ok Allira. I don’t know all the in & outs of what Epstein did, but I can’t imagine PA having sex with a 14 yr old. What I do find disgusting is, if he knew that the girls Epstein had sex with, were only that age, especially having your girls himself.

Iam64 Mon 20-Oct-25 22:05:54

ronib, where did you get the figure of hundreds of thousands of dollars being paid to Epstein’s sex slaves? What relevance does that have to Andrew and Sarah the Yorks? What relevance to the tragic life of Virginia Giuffre and the other exploited vulnerable girls snd women.,

Maxwells and Epstein targeted the vulnerable, groomed then exploited them. These two and the men they supplied sex slaves to are the guilty here

Allira Mon 20-Oct-25 22:10:12

This is a shocking scandal involving the rich and powerful abusing the young and vulnerable.

I am shocked that ronib is trying to normalise this.

ronib Mon 20-Oct-25 23:07:42

You do realise that you are thinking in the particular confines of Western culture? Allira Nigeria for example has a very young age of consent as do other countries. However my main point is that prostitution has been around for a very long time and in that sense, Prince Andrew wasn’t unusual in using this service. It was, in my opinion, his choice. It is unfortunate that he has trashed his own reputation and damaged his family but it happened. There’s no undoing the past. He was an idiot and he’s paying the price. Sad for everyone involved too.

NotSpaghetti Mon 20-Oct-25 23:17:14

No I agree Casdon, obviously.

SueDonim Tue 21-Oct-25 00:11:32

Nigeria also has a culture of killing people, mostly children, deemed to be witches and of female genital mutilation. Do you condone those practises, too, Ronib?

StoneofDestiny Tue 21-Oct-25 04:33:49

Everything the Royals do is on their terms alone. Andrew has agreed not use titles such as the Duke of York, but he still technically holds them.
He should be stripped of them, stripped of the title ‘Prince’ and then it would be clear where power lies. In what other job do we get to dictate the terms of our dismissal? He is a proven liar and the .£12 Million paid to his victim to protect him from scrutiny under the law spoke volumes. Royal privilege in the 21 Century makes fools of us all.

Maremia Tue 21-Oct-25 07:22:57

Haven't read this whole Thread, my bad, but what I now find deeply disturbing are the 'new' details', from her soon to be published book, about the alleged brutality of an as yet un-named British PM. This violence made her determined to escape the clutches of Epstein and Maxwell.
She said something along the lines that Andrew was not violent, just entitled.
The whole thing is sickening.

Maremia Tue 21-Oct-25 07:24:33

Someone upthread mentioned gagging order. It is said there was an order lasting a year, possibly so the the Roysl Jubilee would not be tainted.

StoneofDestiny Tue 21-Oct-25 08:58:21

Can you imagine any pther paedophile/rapist/abuser being granted that? More obscene royal privilege. We are far from equal before the law!

ronib Tue 21-Oct-25 09:08:09

Wonder who the prime minister was who scared Virginia into leaving prostitution? Around 2002 was it? She was too scared to name him but presumably the information is on the Epstein tapes?