Goodbye Duke & Duchess of York.

Maremia

Haven't read this whole Thread, my bad, but what I now find deeply disturbing are the 'new' details', from her soon to be published book, about the alleged brutality of an as yet un-named British PM. This violence made her determined to escape the clutches of Epstein and Maxwell.
She said something along the lines that Andrew was not violent, just entitled.
The whole thing is sickening.

Other countries than UK have PM's. Maremia. We should not leap to conclusions.

She has in the past named and accused an Israeli PM of extreme sexual violence.

But, Stoneof Destiny , Andrew IS a prince, and was born one automatically without any investiture, by virtue of being the son of the heir to the throne. His dukedom was deliberately given to him and legalised, and that could be reversed by the appropriate legislation, but there is no legislation to remove a title which was not specifically granted.

Given that Epstein allegedly filmed men with the girls he procured in order to blackmail, the recordings must have been destroyed, as they would surely have surfaced. As other posters have said, the more that is revealed daily, the more depraved and sickening this matter is.

Gosh Epstein's death is becoming curiouser and curiouser. Too many important people with too much to be ashamed of and hide. Suicide? Really?

Aveline

Gosh Epstein's death is becoming curiouser and curiouser. Too many important people with too much to be ashamed of and hide. Suicide? Really?

It has always seemed highly suspicious and too convenient.

Important - and rich.

Elegran

But, Stoneof Destiny , Andrew IS a prince, and was born one automatically without any investiture, by virtue of being the son of the heir to the throne. His dukedom was deliberately given to him and legalised, and that could be reversed by the appropriate legislation, but there is no legislation to remove a title which was not specifically granted.

After his sex scandal abdication, George 111 was not allowed his original birth title "Prince George" , demoted to Duke of Windsor. He was allowed to keep HRH. But the Duchess of Windsor was not allowed an HRH.

Harry, Meghan and Andrew have "agreed" not to use HRH.. But Harry and Andrew must be well aware the Monarch can smoothly and permanently cut off use of HRH by royal prerogative, as happened to Diana.

Losing "Prince" is not impossible, has been done before.

<https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10370/>

"The title of Prince or Princess can be removed by statute or under the prerogative".

Aveline

Gosh Epstein's death is becoming curiouser and curiouser. Too many important people with too much to be ashamed of and hide. Suicide? Really?

and Guiffre also died by suicide. Some coincidence.

Ghislaine must be quaking in her US jail.

How did Epstein make his fortune

What happened to it when he died

I just feel really sorry for their daughters who have always seemed so nice and normal It must be so hard for them It might be good to see Andrew donate to a group for abused people but the daughters deserve to be treated well and supported by the royal family they have so much to face

If Hundreds of thousands of dollars was involved I think it’s highly likely that blackmail was involved, not just financial but other influence too.

Apart from the allegation of under age sex, paying for sex is not something that public figures should be proud of, even though it’s not illegal, nor is it illegal for someone to receive payment for sex. Epstein was a pimp procuring women for sex which is illegal, it is easy to attract them to the bright lights, at first it’s fun but eventually it becomes dangerous, the lucky ones get out many dont.

I don’t believe a word about the suicide Epstein knew too much about too many high profile people ( including Trump) he had to go. Ghislane Maxwell undoubtedly knows a lot of “dirt” if she starts to give information she won’t last long.

Did 'your menfolk' have sex at an orgy with 8 underage girls? Andrew did.

Er where did that piece of "information" come from? I haven't seen that reported anywhere!

The book will soon be for sale everywhere, and another Survivor has her own version coming out next month.
Until they go to court, all is 'alleged' in legal terms.
But on the other hand, £12 million was paid out on Andrew's behalf.
That story of 8 in an orgy, has been umpteen times on Facebook. So, not proven, but being talked about worldwide.

The allegation about an orgy is in VG’s book

Take that I don’t believe any charity supporting survivors would want Andrew’s dirty money

David - good points

Ok. Missed that one. 🤔

What reason for 12 million ?

butterandjam

Aveline

Gosh Epstein's death is becoming curiouser and curiouser. Too many important people with too much to be ashamed of and hide. Suicide? Really?

and Guiffre also died by suicide. Some coincidence.

Ghislaine must be quaking in her US jail.

Very noticeable that you use the victims surname but for the abuser you use her Christian name. 🤔

I don't know why, silly to let it, but somehow this is upsetting me.

I read a tiny bit of what VG wrote, she seemed to vulnerable, such an abuse of power.
None of the immediate RF come out of this well.

TakeThat7

I just feel really sorry for their daughters who have always seemed so nice and normal It must be so hard for them It might be good to see Andrew donate to a group for abused people but the daughters deserve to be treated well and supported by the royal family they have so much to face

I'm afraid to say you may be obliged to change your views pretty soon.

Quote StripeyGran Tue 21-Oct-25 15:19:43
I don't know why, silly to let it, but somehow this is upsetting me.

I read a tiny bit of what VG wrote, she seemed to vulnerable, such an abuse of power.
None of the immediate RF come out of this well.

The immediate royal family, you mean Anne, Edward, Sophie ?

I’ve always had a soft spot for the Royals; even Camilla who I loathed at the time of the divorce etc has grown on me and I think she’s doing a wonderful job as queen. I’m sure that William intends to turn the royal family into a Scandinavian style one and hangers on like Andrew’s daughters will be history. They both have incredibly rich husbands so I won’t be shedding any tears for them. I often wonder how Edward ( who I think seems like a nice person must) have felt seeing the late Queen adoring Andrew no matter what he did.

Anniebach

Quote StripeyGran Tue 21-Oct-25 15:19:43
I don't know why, silly to let it, but somehow this is upsetting me.

I read a tiny bit of what VG wrote, she seemed to vulnerable, such an abuse of power.
None of the immediate RF come out of this well.

The immediate royal family, you mean Anne, Edward, Sophie ?

I absolutely cannot be bothered to argue about the RF.

I just feel sad about the whole sorry business.

Accusations against Bill Clynton go back as far as 1978.
Many years ago I listened to several episodes on the abuse that Bill Clynton was committing. I listened to this woman’s story.
Also on the programs were several police officers who told their story of how they were forced to protect Clynton 🤬

www.npr.org/2016/10/09/497291071/a-brief-history-of-juanita-broaddrick-the-woman-accusing-bill-clinton-of-rape

Andrew so adored by his mother she kept title Duke Edinburgh for his younger brother

Yes i remember that Petra. There are many reasons the rich and powerful get away with crimes

All of the names could come out now, petra.
If they are to blame, then take the shame.