An interesting slant on the wearing of a burqa.

Don't you want to help them? - ie to have freedom to dress our way....

Sago

Lots of interesting responses here and thank you all.

My question in the OP was however is to ascertain if women of other cultures are seen as “available” because they are not covered?

From my experience of living in a SE Asian Muslim country and a 50% Muslim/Christian country I’d say yes to western girls and women being seen as ‘available’. There is a term they use for such girls and women - easy meat.

Lathyrus3

Absolutely not for the State to legislate what a woman can or cannot wear. That’s exactly what has happened in places like Afghanistan.

Once a law is in place it can be applied to suit whoever is in power. Beware.

Absolutely against a ban, unless its in work situations where seeing your face is required.

Locally it tends just to be women who have recently arrived.

Let time do its own work. That what has happened once you get the next generation coming along, living in the UK.

Situations of abuse are another matter altogether, and need to be treated as such.

As for the O/P, it's a load of rubbish (not the poster, the post). As I've just said, male abusers are male abusers, whatever the culture. We've plenty of white home grown ones.

Wyllow3 you always refer to our plentiful white homegrown abusers. I take it you are aware we have home grown black, brown, white and every shade in between abusers? Or are they only 'home grown' if white? Pretty racist I'd say.

On the question of the burqa, I would ban all full face coverings including it and the niqab from all public buildings and spaces. Facial recognition is a much used tool in the fight against crime, an impossible task when only, or not even, the eyes are visible. Hijabs are totally different and perfectly acceptable. I'd apply that rule to everyone and especially the yobs who look like ninjas with their full face coverings too. Try entering a bank branch with a full face motorcycle helmet with tinted visor and face scarf....

Wyllow3

As for the O/P, it's a load of rubbish (not the poster, the post). As I've just said, male abusers are male abusers, whatever the culture. We've plenty of white home grown ones.

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Not all home-grown, as you call it, (presumably meaning British-born ) people are white, you know.
Some people of ethnic minority can trace their families back centuries.
There are also thousands of white Muslims in Britain too. One I know well is blond (or was) and blue-eyed.

I doubt that the majority of men of any ethnic background or religion are abusers. We just hear about the ones who are.

The discussion is about whether or not the burqa should be banned.

Rosie51

Wyllow3 you always refer to our plentiful white homegrown abusers. I take it you are aware we have home grown black, brown, white and every shade in between abusers? Or are they only 'home grown' if white? Pretty racist I'd say.

On the question of the burqa, I would ban all full face coverings including it and the niqab from all public buildings and spaces. Facial recognition is a much used tool in the fight against crime, an impossible task when only, or not even, the eyes are visible. Hijabs are totally different and perfectly acceptable. I'd apply that rule to everyone and especially the yobs who look like ninjas with their full face coverings too. Try entering a bank branch with a full face motorcycle helmet with tinted visor and face scarf....

Good point.
All home grown abusers!

I'm a bit biased atm which might account for it. Having escaped a coercively abusive marriage in 2022, followed by a really bad depression as a result, I was sexually assulted on October 12th in a religious situation and certainly haven't got over yet, its still full on with the police and conflicts within the organisation.

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Don't know why I'm smiling, it's not a smiling matter but, yes.

Wyllow3

Rosie51

Wyllow3 you always refer to our plentiful white homegrown abusers. I take it you are aware we have home grown black, brown, white and every shade in between abusers? Or are they only 'home grown' if white? Pretty racist I'd say.

On the question of the burqa, I would ban all full face coverings including it and the niqab from all public buildings and spaces. Facial recognition is a much used tool in the fight against crime, an impossible task when only, or not even, the eyes are visible. Hijabs are totally different and perfectly acceptable. I'd apply that rule to everyone and especially the yobs who look like ninjas with their full face coverings too. Try entering a bank branch with a full face motorcycle helmet with tinted visor and face scarf....

Good point.
All home grown abusers!

So why have you only ever referred to 'white home grown abusers' up until now? It does smack of racism one way or another!

Sorry, that was to your post of Wed 26-Nov-25 23:17:18, not the next one.

Yes, and I'm sorry.

On top of that I go nearly every try day to my very multicultural gym where there are both men and women from muslim backgrounds working out together and have never had any problems. At the children's swim school time you get families where all this supposed repression just aint there.

Rosie51

Wyllow3

Rosie51

Wyllow3 you always refer to our plentiful white homegrown abusers. I take it you are aware we have home grown black, brown, white and every shade in between abusers? Or are they only 'home grown' if white? Pretty racist I'd say.

On the question of the burqa, I would ban all full face coverings including it and the niqab from all public buildings and spaces. Facial recognition is a much used tool in the fight against crime, an impossible task when only, or not even, the eyes are visible. Hijabs are totally different and perfectly acceptable. I'd apply that rule to everyone and especially the yobs who look like ninjas with their full face coverings too. Try entering a bank branch with a full face motorcycle helmet with tinted visor and face scarf....

Good point.
All home grown abusers!

So why have you only ever referred to 'white home grown abusers' up until now? It does smack of racism one way or another!

I've just answered you above on your repeat post? give me a break, will you?

Wyllow3

I'm a bit biased atm which might account for it. Having escaped a coercively abusive marriage in 2022, followed by a really bad depression as a result, I was sexually assulted on October 12th in a religious situation and certainly haven't got over yet, its still full on with the police and conflicts within the organisation.

Although this post appears before mine of 23:21:51 I obviously didn't see it because I'm a very slow one finger typist. I'm sorry you've suffered this assault, that's so horrible, but I wonder if that makes you more sympathetic to women who have a bias because their assailant was Muslim, or black, or Asian for example? I hope you can get some resolution and have enough support to get you through this.

I also hadn't seen your post of 23:29:09
Any chance you could give me a break?

Allira

Wyllow3

As for the O/P, it's a load of rubbish (not the poster, the post). As I've just said, male abusers are male abusers, whatever the culture. We've plenty of white home grown ones.

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Not all home-grown, as you call it, (presumably meaning British-born ) people are white, you know.
Some people of ethnic minority can trace their families back centuries.
There are also thousands of white Muslims in Britain too. One I know well is blond (or was) and blue-eyed.

I doubt that the majority of men of any ethnic background or religion are abusers. We just hear about the ones who are.

The discussion is about whether or not the burqa should be banned.

Its true the O/P alludes to the burqa, but the O/P specifically says

"I am concerned for the women who will not be allowed out by their “male controllers”, this will create more misery and leave women open to more potential abuse"
and "easy meat"

so its also very much about abuse and backgrounds as well as the Burqu Alirra

Rosie51

I also hadn't seen your post of 23:29:09
Any chance you could give me a break?

Why repost exactly the same post?

I also disagree face coverings should be banned in every situation. I think if women genuinely choose to wear a burqu then they can do so. Obviously this is not the same as the motorcycle ninjas (of whatever ethnic background, since there are white young men doing the same). but if a woman in a bank as wearing a burqu and just coming in to bank some money why not?

Why repost exactly the same post?
I didn't.

So you think a body completely concealed by a burqa is exactly the same as a body wearing a full face motorcycle helmet but it's fair that the motor cycle helmet must be removed for 'security reasons' yet the burqa does not? If you bothered to read my post correctly you'd have known motor cycle helmets are a separate issue to the mostly white 'ninja warriors' who just love to disrupt any Let Women Speak or other pro women groups while keeping their anonymity. Why should someone in a particular style of clothing be immune from the rules that cover everyone else and their chosen style of clothing?
How do you know every body enclosed in a burqa is a 'woman' who just wants to bank? Could the burqa not be the absolute best disguise for any would be miscreant? No need for the old 'stocking over the face' or 'celebrity mask' disguise. Someone in a full face motorcycle helmet could equally 'just want to bank' but the different treatment suggests that maybe they don't.

Road and public safety as regards the ninja mask wearers on the road, of course. Without doubt some are doing it just to intimidate, whatever the ethnic background.

I think you are really over reacting to the lady wearing a burka in the bank frankly.

It was Boris Johnson who once referred to women in burkas as looking like "bank robbers" alongside various other racist comments, I've just googled "robbers who wore burkas in a bank" and found 3 UK incidents in total.

I think you are really over reacting to the lady wearing a burka in the bank frankly.

I think you're under reacting to the inequality of treatment. The rules must be the same for everybody surely? Or are you suggesting that burqa wearers become a 'protected caste' that unfortunately was the position of many religious figures in the Catholic and Protestant Churches whose abuse of children was ignored because of their 'religious calling'. You'd not approve of Muslim people of either sex being subjected to more stringent rules than others, so why be in favour of stringent rules being cast aside if someone 'presents as a Muslim woman' in a niqab or burqa? Would you support burqa or niqab wearers not having to show their faces at airport security when everyone else has to? I've seen a nun at the airport told to remove her outer hooded clothing for security purposes.

I'm about to start as a volunteer for women locally who have been abused. leading a group who want to do some art or some yoga. (yes, for real, it was a decision based on the marriage not the recent attack)

I shall not and never would start asking anyone who arrives in a burka to remove there face covering

Just to please some racist GN's, becuase thats what it is, imo:

We've read posts above on page 1 about what Muslim women have themselves to say and how some have made a choice:

obviously if its done under male pressure its abuse here or abroad I would fight it all the way:

but banning it is counter productive in terms of change, gradual being able to "let it go" is the way forward and

not accepting a minority of womens choices in our supposedly tolerant UK goes against everything I believe in.

I think rules are rules and if there is a no face covering rule it should be obeyed or they should send someone else into the bank on their behalf. Otherwise it is discriminatory. How do you know they are women and not men in disguise ?

The virtue signalling is off the scale, and of course the 'racist' accusation always rears its ugly head, even when posters are or have family members that are ethnic minority.

Rules are apparently only for some not for all.

I shall not and never would start asking anyone who arrives in a burka to remove there face covering good for you, I fully approve, that's a private group with I assume rules that apply equally to everyone? So full face motorcycle helmets or other full face masks equally acceptable, although I doubt anyone would want to do yoga so attired. Having done yoga I'd be in awe of anyone doing it in a burqa, surely a female only enforced group where they could remove the burqa would be preferable? Will transwomen be welcome at your yoga/art group while Muslim women are present as I think that may be a problem to some Muslim women?

The virtue signalling is off the scale

Where please?

A poster earlier suggested we let time work its magic, as that her experience is it’s mostly new arrivals wearing the burka. It may have been Wyllow?

My experience in our town is that thirty years ago seeing anyone from our Muslim Pakistani heritage community in traditional dress was very unusual. Gradually, heritage is being reclaimed and western dress seen less frequently.

I agree with posters who would prefer women wearing burka not to cover their faces. I’m not sure I’d want legislation as I understand is the case in France. I’m also concerned about the increasing habit where men eg on pro Palestinian or other demonstrations, cover their faces. It isn’t only Asian men, we see aggressive behaviour from white men with faces covered

Maybe it needs legislation ?