An interesting slant on the wearing of a burqa.

Absolutely, it is a value judgement, when we don't use value judgements the first people to suffer tend to be the most vulnerable in our society.

Galaxy

Absolutely, it is a value judgement, when we don't use value judgements the first people to suffer tend to be the most vulnerable in our society.

But we don't call the most vulnerable people in our society "inferior" or is that how some people think? I certainly don't!

There is a post doing the rounds - sorry not got the tech to share - promoting World Hijab day showing a pic of a nun on one side and a young woman in a hijab on the other with the caption over the nun saying "if this doesn't bother you" then over the hijabed woman "and this does"...."it's not your faith, it's your bigotry...just saying"

Bigotry? How about sheer bloody misogyny right there in both pics!

It's only men who care about women's modesty, I've yet to meet a woman who gives a stuff about another woman's chastity.

foxie48

Galaxy

Absolutely, it is a value judgement, when we don't use value judgements the first people to suffer tend to be the most vulnerable in our society.

But we don't call the most vulnerable people in our society "inferior" or is that how some people think? I certainly don't!

I would hope nobody would consider vulnerable people inferior. Using inferior to mean lower quality applies to the attitudes within a culture. The Taliban culture that exists in Afghanistan is appalling in the way it treats females. They are the most vulnerable in that culture and are definitely treated as inferior beings to be kept subdued and voiceless. For that reason I do not consider their culture equal to the (far from perfect cultures) that exist in the UK.

Nannee49

There is a post doing the rounds - sorry not got the tech to share - promoting World Hijab day showing a pic of a nun on one side and a young woman in a hijab on the other with the caption over the nun saying "if this doesn't bother you" then over the hijabed woman "and this does"...."it's not your faith, it's your bigotry...just saying"

Bigotry? How about sheer bloody misogyny right there in both pics!

It's only men who care about women's modesty, I've yet to meet a woman who gives a stuff about another woman's chastity.

There is a certain mystique around virginity. I guess it originates with the idea that another man's sperm affects the purity of one's own impregation.

I agree wholeheartedly Rosie51.

The attempts to normalise the wearing of modest dress, the sanctimonious preaching to try and persuade that if you're anti coverage you're a nasty bigot rather than a lover of freedom where all are considered equal is an insiduous "othering" straight out of the Machiaevellian handbook.

There's only men bothered about virginity Caleo as far as I'm aware!

Nannee49

There's only men bothered about virginity Caleo as far as I'm aware!

Oh, I don't know about that Nannee! Women label other women sluts. Then there is the myth that the Blessed Virgin was the only woman capable of producing Christ.

Misogyny is very deep -rooted in our culture, and in most cultures back into pre-history. Our present times are unprecedented when women are about to break through the culture barrier .

Yes, that's true Caleo now that you point it out, some women do label other women sluts.
Kind of like the silent admonishment of visually modest dress wearers to us non-modest (or is that immodest) women.

My virtue is my own, private concern, it's got bugger all to do with anyone else.

Good post about misogyny running deep too!

Excuse me if I tread on any toes am new to this and only read through a few comments.
Am just wondering if there are very much two ends to this spectrum with regard to men dictating what women wear. I mean do the likes of Beyoncé and Rihanna writhe around on stage dressed in next to nothing because they are strong women and that is their choice or are they bowing to what the music industry mainly run by men has promoted as the way to become successful as a female artist?
Equally are women who cover up doing it because it is their choice or because men prefer them to dress that way when out in public?
Is an interesting subject but either way I think it says more about ‘men’ from all backgrounds and not just those who insist upon the wearing of the burka.

My granddaughter is studying to work in the music industry Fallingstar and we've long had discussions about fully clothed male artists surrounded by scantily clad girl dancers, not from the perspective of the morality of the girls but the disparity and misogyny in the music industry making the demands.

FWIW I think it's changing, probably slowly, with so many more successful female artists today and Beyonce, Rihanna, Dua Lipa, Adele, Taylor Swift etc certainly have complete control of their appearance.

It's an interesting facet of the modesty debate but still completely about the autonomy of choice being in women's hands in my opinion.

I often wonder why it is only celbritiees, who turn up to award ceremonies and first nights, dressed in as near to next to nothing as you can get who go on about being empowering etc etc.

If that was true, why is it that ordinary young women, may wear very short skirts, very high heels and less often really low tops, but do not feel that they need to walk around more than half naked to be empowered.